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Old 08-09-2012, 07:07 PM   #1
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Are Rams good parents?

I have a 70G tank, and in it are Denison barbs(5), Bolivian Rams(3), varied species of Rainbow fish(6), Neon Tetra(10ish) and an Angel fish. I am wondering if the Rams would be able to protect their eggs/fry from an almost full-grown Angel or from a really fast Denison Barb?
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:25 PM   #2
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I would doubt that any parent could protect the eggs from that many opponents. I would say to separate the fish you want to breed into a breeder tank.
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:17 AM   #3
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Okay, what would be a good tank for breeding Bolivian Rams
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:42 PM   #4
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I don't have any personal experience with breeding them, but I would suggest at least a 20g tank. May need bigger depending on your success rate.
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I have a 30-40 gallon tank that I am not using, I have filtration, light, and a heater for it.(it is a squarish)
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Old 08-10-2012, 05:44 PM   #6
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I have a 30-40 gallon tank that I am not using, I have filtration, light, and a heater for it.(it is a squarish)
Yes that would be a brilliant size! Just make sure to xycle the tank, or move gravel, decor, filters or media from the other tank.
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Should the tank be bare bottom, should there be decorations and what about live plants? Should there be rocks in it?(I am new to breeding fish and all information is appreciated.) thank you all.
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Should the tank be bare bottom, should there be decorations and what about live plants? Should there be rocks in it?(I am new to breeding fish and all information is appreciated.) thank you all.
I have written a article which may help: BREEDING GERMAN BLUE RAMS

German blue rams are suprisingly easy once you have an established pair. GBR grow to about six to seven centimetres. They like to eat bloodworms and flakes, river shrimp and lots more! The cons of these stunning looking fish is that they need pristine water quality. They're colouring is unique with their shimmering blue scales. They can breed as early on as four months but usually from six months +.
SEXING:
The female fish is smaller than the male and have more of a pink underbelly in her ventral region. If you look at the anterior region of the dorsal fin, you can see that her fin rays are less developed. It is also common for females to have a plumper body shape and more rounded edging of the tailfin. The back of the dorsal and anal fins have a more pointy edge in the male ram, and the tail fin is also more sharply edged. The male ram can be recognized on his V-shaped tail fin and the elongated second ray that is present in the dorsal fin.
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When its time for breeding, the red patch on the belly of the female will grow bigger and become much brighter than normally. A flat stone will be cleaned or a pit will be dug out by either of the pair. The couple will also start nudging each other and/or twirling, and the male fish can dart away at a high pace or slide against the body of the female fish
During spawning, the female will place small adhesive eggs on the flat stones or in the small pits. The eggs are 0.9-1.5 mm in length (0.035-0.059 inches). A typical batch will consist of 150-300 eggs, but some batches contain no more than 20 eggs while others contain over 500 eggs.

Both the male and the female fish should be allowed to stay with the offspring because this species practise biparental brood care and the parents work together to care for the eggs and guard the territory. A parent will fan fresh water over the eggs to prevent attacks from fungi and bacteria. The parents will also eat unfertile eggs to prevent them from turning into breeding grounds for pathogens.

The eggs will normally hatch within 40 hours if the water is kept in the upper part of the recommended temperature range. It will then take roughly 5 days before the offspring becomes free swimming. The free swimming fry will be kept in a dense school and be cared for by the parents. They will be escorted by their mother or father during foraging.

Don’t lose heart if the first few spawnings are unsuccessful. A lot of things can go wrong and it is common for German blue rams to spawn a few times before they get everything right. They might for instance eat a few batches before they become good parents. Once they have started breeding, you can however expect a new batch once a month or so. Young pairs are known to fight quite a lot and the aquarium must contain plenty of hiding spots to avoid stress and injury.

If your couple continues to eat their offspring even after several spawnings it can be a sight of distress in the aquarium. Try to figure out what stresses your fish and do your best to make the aquarium more relaxing for them.
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Should the tank be planted, and what size rocks should I use for them to breed on. Does all this information carry over to Bolivians, and should I try to raise brine shrimp to feed to the fry?

Thank you for taking the time to post your article Sam.
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Should the tank be planted, and what size rocks should I use for them to breed on. Does all this information carry over to Bolivians, and should I try to raise brine shrimp to feed to the fry?

Thank you for taking the time to post your article Sam.
Well, mine layed eggs in a planted tank so I am going to say yes. Just like a tile size piece of slate ought to be fine. So just 3-4 inches in length. This is the same for bolivians as well.
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Thank you, I will set the tank up if I can find space. Do the fry need the best water quality to survive?
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Thank you, I will set the tank up if I can find space. Do the fry need the best water quality to survive?
Yes, they do. If I were you let the parents stay with the eggs. But just have them in a different tank. This is because without the parents eggs can develop fungi , whereas with the parents they fan the eggs and protect them from fungi . Or just place a airstone next to the eggs instead of the parents.
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So are you suggesting that after the mother lays the eggs I move the eggs and the parents into a smaller tank so that I can keep the water at a higher quality?
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I was saying that you move the breeding pair to a separate tank. Then condition them, let them lay their eggs. Then from there you can either keep the parents with them, or move them back to the main tank.
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Once the eggs have hatched are the parents beneficial to fry, even if there aren't any other fish that the parents have to protect the fry from?
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Well, they will make sure the eggs don't get fungal infections. They do that by fanning the eggs with their fins. But you can set up a airstone to do that. I do advise you remove the parents.
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Should I remove them and put them back into my 70G tank?
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Should I remove them and put them back into my 70G tank?
Yes, but put a airstone right next to the eggs.
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Thank you for all your advice Sam. And eveyr one else as well.
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Can't recommend you use almond leaves or similar for breeding any stronger, it will help keep the eggs protected from fungus and encourage the process along. If you get lucky and they use the leaves for laying the eggs on you will get a far better success rate. You will get slight tannins in the water, but it's better for the fish.
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