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Red5 07-28-2009 10:59 AM

Need some help completing my Saltwater tank on a budget. Pictures-
 
So I have this 75 gallon tank. I've already mixed in the salt and such and it has been about 30 days since I've done this. The tank sits above a 4o gallon freshwater tank. I currently have a fluval 304 filter. BUT- it cracked on the latch area of the bowl so now I guess I need to either buy another filter, fix this one, or design one using a 15 gallon spare tank I have.

What would you suggest? My plans for the tank are to put a few fish in it and some live rock. I'd also like a see anenomy or three. (sp?)

Questions:
1. What is the m ost cost effective way of filtering this tank?
2. I have normal lights that were used ona fresh water tank, will these work?
3. Check out the rocks I have in the tank, are these type rocks ok to use in salt water?
4. I have two power pumps that hook into a self build circle of PVC below the coral rock, these keep the water flowing in circles. Is this too much water movement?

I'm getting back into salt water after having had a tank when I was a teenager. Looking for good ideas. But with the economy the way it is I' need to keep spending to a minimum. (soon to change)

5. Can I keep plastick plants in a saltwater tank?

Thanks for any help you provide.

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Speakerman 07-28-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Red5 (Post 1006864)
Questions:
1. What is the m ost cost effective way of filtering this tank?
2. I have normal lights that were used ona fresh water tank, will these work?
3. Check out the rocks I have in the tank, are these type rocks ok to use in salt water?
4. I have two power pumps that hook into a self build circle of PVC below the coral rock, these keep the water flowing in circles. Is this too much water movement?

1. IMO, the most cost effective filtering for the long run, would be to buy a skimmer box (overflow) and convert your freshwater tank below into a sump. put a skimmer, some live rock rubble, and a return pump in it. I like your idea of an under-gravel powerhead system. That will help with filtration as well. The more liverock you have in your tank + the more water flow you have, the better your biological filtration will be.
2. The lights you have will work fine if your going to just do fish only with live rock (FOWLR) Just don't expect to be able to keep many corals.
3. It's hard to tell exactly which type of rock those are. sorry.
4. No that is not too much water movement, you'll likely want more than that once you get some more live rock in the tank (if that's the route you decide to tank)

there are many ways to setup and maintain a saltwater system. good luck.

Speakerman 07-28-2009 11:14 AM

btw this is the skimmer box I bought, if your not afraid of drilling (it's fun and easy!!!)

TX Holey Rocks

Red5 07-28-2009 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Speakerman (Post 1006867)
1. IMO, the most cost effective filtering for the long run, would be to buy a skimmer box (overflow) and convert your freshwater tank below into a sump. put a skimmer, some live rock rubble, and a return pump in it. I like your idea of an under-gravel powerhead system. That will help with filtration as well. The more liverock you have in your tank + the more water flow you have, the better your biological filtration will be.
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I'd rather not drill holes inthe tank. But I like the idea of a "Sump"- I'll do some more research in that direction. If I have an extra 15 gallong tank laying around wouldn't that make a better sump?

Liverock- Where can I buy some at a good price? Is it pretty much all the same?

Skimmer box. This is a new one on me. Is it part of the sump?

joy13 07-28-2009 01:39 PM

I have gotten all of my live rock from craigslist for a fraction of what it would cost me at the LFS. I don't have any mantis shrimp or pistol shrimp surprises either. I usually get a lot of hitchhikers on my rock snails, hermit crabs, coral, feather dusters, star fish and a nasty little surprise of aptasia which I pretty much have under control.

You can get several styles of skimmers just google it. The skimmer tanks the proteins out of the water.

roka64 07-28-2009 02:22 PM

Red you can save money on rock by doing a combo of base rock (marcorock.com) 75% to 25% of LR.
A skimmer takes out the DOCs from the water. Lots of folks use them and it is a piece of equipment you don't not want to skimp on/ ASM, auqaC remora and octopus aree some of the brands that are better. You can get an insump one, or HOB.
It is a personal preference if you want one or not. I don't use them.

fishmonkey 07-28-2009 02:34 PM

if in the future you want to keep corals and stuff, try these lighting fixtures. theyre great and they wont break the bank! Current USA Satellite Power Compact PC Aquarium Light Fixtures

Red5 07-28-2009 04:00 PM

I just boug 30 pounds of live rock from this place: Welcome to International Marine Fish - Premium Live Rock It was on sale and I figured 30 pounds shipped for 30.00 can't be too bad.

I do have a filter that hangs over the side. It's a large one. Can this be used for a SW set up?

fishmonkey 07-28-2009 04:09 PM

it should probably be good for what you have in mind (FOWLR)

thominil 07-28-2009 04:25 PM

Take out the media in the filter and fill it with live rock rubble. You may want to get about 50lbs. more live rock.

fishmonkey 07-29-2009 10:26 PM

yes you should probably get more rock. the rule is gennerally 1-1.5 pounds of live rock per gallon of water so thats: 75-112 punds of rock for your tank i think

but get base rock because its cheaper

Red5 07-30-2009 10:14 AM

I have mor elive rock on the way. I'll put some in the filter. What do you mean by replace the media with live rock? Media?

I've also hooked up a large filter over the back. I figured that with the two blowers shoud move enough water. I'll buy a skimmer later on.

My current salt reading is 1.0225 is this good enough to support fish? Should I also through a couple dead shrimp inthe tank from the food mart?

I'd rather not torture my first inhabitants. ;)

fishmonkey 07-30-2009 12:40 PM

salt reading is good.
has the cycle finished yet?
and you wil definitely need a skimmer later on. go with reef octopus, trust me.

thominil 07-30-2009 02:01 PM

I meant take out the filter media that's in the filter now. With your live rock, you are almost garrunteed to get broken off pieces. Stick those in the compartment where the media was. Bump the sg up to 1.026. ;)

Red5 08-13-2009 10:02 AM

We now have FISH! And they seem to be living. ;) (good sign) Although my anenome (sp) seems to schrible up over night and come out during the day.

Question- How importnant is lighting? And do you think this light is a good deal-
Pet Supplies for Dogs, Cats, Aquarium Fish, and more - CURRENT USA - 24" SATELLITE 65W SMARTPAQ PC STRIP W/LUNAR LIGHT

I can buy a used one for $40 from a local guy. But I don't know how many hours are on it. What would it cost to replace the bulbs? Are these bulbs replacable?

Sharkbait430 08-13-2009 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Red5 (Post 1016572)
We now have FISH! And they seem to be living. ;) (good sign) Although my anenome (sp) seems to schrible up over night and come out during the day.

Question- How importnant is lighting? And do you think this light is a good deal-
Pet Supplies for Dogs, Cats, Aquarium Fish, and more - CURRENT USA - 24" SATELLITE 65W SMARTPAQ PC STRIP W/LUNAR LIGHT

I can buy a used one for $40 from a local guy. But I don't know how many hours are on it. What would it cost to replace the bulbs? Are these bulbs replacable?

How long has the tank been running and has it cycled? How much LR do you have in there?

Lighting is crucial and extremely important especially for corals and anemones...

Red5 08-13-2009 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharkbait430 (Post 1016581)
How long has the tank been running and has it cycled? How much LR do you have in there?

Lighting is crucial and extremely important especially for corals and anemones...

About 50 days. About 70 pounds. Regular floresent lighting.

Did you look at the link I provided? How much are replacement bulbs for this type of light?

Sharkbait430 08-13-2009 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Red5 (Post 1016685)
About 50 days. About 70 pounds. Regular floresent lighting.

Did you look at the link I provided? How much are replacement bulbs for this type of light?

I just looked at the link. Im not a pro at lighting but I don't think that particular one would cut it for coral and anemones. What you have no definitely is no good for the anemone though. Lets see what more of the pros have to say when it comes to lighting. Im worried about the anemone though.

thominil 08-13-2009 04:06 PM

That light will work for softies and some LPS but NOT anemones. I suggest that you take the anemone back to your lfs immediately. You will need T5 HO minimum for an anemone. Metal halide is the best option for lighting you can get.

fishmonkey 08-13-2009 04:30 PM

yeah anemones need lots of light. so as thom said, you would need T5 or Metal Halide, but the lights that you have in mind will not work.

JustOneMore20 08-13-2009 06:47 PM

I think buying a book about saltwater tanks or doing ALOT of reading online would benefit you. You can't just throw an anemone in the tank and it live. Its not a plant...its living. They need much more than regular fluorescent lighting. And good lighting isn't cheap. Definitely figure out what type of anemone you have and do some reading on it.

Please research before you buy fish as well.

There really isn't a way around spending a good bit of money on a saltwater tank...especially when you get into corals and anemones. ;)

thominil 08-13-2009 06:54 PM

I agree, look at Reef Secrets by Alf Jacob Nilsen and Svein A. fossa. It goes into every little detail about what you need to know like what your equipment does, how to chose the right equipment and even goes into reef conservation and things like that.

https://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/grou...f_secrets_book

Sharkbait430 08-14-2009 10:19 AM

(Not calling you a dummy but this is what I started with) Saltwater Aquariums for Dummies - Good book and very informational. Also, AquariumAdvice.com is listed in the references =)

fishmonkey 08-14-2009 07:04 PM

yeah get saltwater aquariums for dummies. its what i started with and its great.

Red5 08-16-2009 05:25 PM

This guy just offered to sell me the light system i posted for $30. So you guys think it won't be enough to support an anenome in a 75 with the other lights as well?

thominil 08-16-2009 07:48 PM

That won't even be close to enough light for an anemone. Look into T5 HO or metal halide. This fixture will allow you to keep anemones, soft coral, LPS, and SPS (some SPS may need to be placed at or towards the top): 48" 6x54W Nova Extreme PRO T5HO 3x10k/3x460nm Actinics by Current USA*(1081) - AquaCave. HTH.

Red5 08-16-2009 09:24 PM

What about a 36" coral life 96w? Would that be eough for half the tank? Spending over 300 cash on a light is not in my future.;)

jessicasmarine 08-16-2009 09:45 PM

You'll be spending more if you buy cheap lights now and have no success and keep trying to slowly upgrade one light at a time, start off with the best and save in the long run. (completely from experience)

JustOneMore20 08-16-2009 10:36 PM

96w won't cut it either. Sorry. :(

jessicasmarine 08-16-2009 10:47 PM

For $100 you can get Odyssea 48" 4x54 t5ho, they work good but you get what you pay for. You can only buy bulbs from odyssea due to slight size difference and you have to have a secondary cooling fan.


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