Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community

Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community (https://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/)
-   Forum Admin & Announcements (https://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f9/)
-   -   Suggestion Box: Please add "journal" sub-forums (https://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f9/suggestion-box-please-add-journal-sub-forums-279313.html)

Brian_Nano12g 09-20-2013 06:17 PM

I got to thinking... I started on this forum a while back simply to look for "advice" as the name of this forum implies. After a while, my knowledge and taste evolved and along that journey I've befriended other AA members. Where others may simply migrate to other sites, I've stuck around to offer my experience when I can to those new or experienced (when they need it). I love AA so I linger. :)

I've also joined other forums, specially the Planted Tank where build threads (journals) are prominent. However, I find myself still gravitating to AA because of the great staff and community it offers.

With that said, is there any way for AA to consider adding in sub-forums to the Planted Tank section and saltwater, specifically for "journals and/or builds" ??? Perhaps with less editing constraints to the OP's build thread?

There's a ton of really nice builds/journals that get buried under the larger amount of simple question threads that only require 1 or a few responses to answer. A lot of these beautiful TOTM award builds are such an example. But not only those, just nice builds in general.

Admin/Mods? Thoughts please.

Can this be implemented so seasoned folks (and newbies) have more tools to keep this forum interesting and exciting... not just remedial. I think from a business standpoint (sponsors/advertisement/clicks) it would generate more traffic (if that matters).

Jkeating8 09-20-2013 07:37 PM

I completely agree with Brian. I think this is an excellent idea and would make the forum much more organized. I always scroll through threads looking for one I want to look at but it can be really annoying when I have to scroll for days. Sub forums like lighting, substrate, algae, etc. I think by doing this, it would expand the number of users on Aquarium Advice. More hardcore reefers and planted tankers would be attracted to the forum since it would specialize in planted tanks more, and it has a much nicer atmosphere than sites like The Planted Tank where many users come off as arrogant. Just my two cents. I think this would be an excellent idea.

henningc 09-21-2013 03:40 AM

I'm not a big planted tank person, but I agree with the concept. There seems to be a greater variety of people here and anything that expands it would be helpful. When I do something different I don't turn to google, I want information from somebody who has done it and can relate their experience.

I think a sub-forum on live fish foods would be great. Most people are afraid of live food, my fish have a diet of over 50% live and have for years. Planted tanks are kind of like live food, many are afraid to try. Additionally, a lot of folks never even think about some of the tropical fish that face extinction. I think some would be stunned to find out that many of these species survive in aquariums only. I'm just an average person and have a tank dedicated to a fish totally extinct in the wild. If you got more than three tanks don't you think it may be time to give something back to the hobby? I realize people are new, but if I look at one more livebearer to say if it is pregnant I think I'll screem! Add water and a pair of livebearers and the answer is yes, simple all you need!

Scottyhorse 09-21-2013 04:02 AM

I also like this idea :) I love the planted tank forum set up, but I have so many friends on here that I chat with ALL the time, I couldn't leave unless they left with me :P

But more sub forums would be a great idea!!

Rivercats 09-21-2013 12:01 PM

I think a sub-forum for journals and builds is a great idea. It is a pain trying to find any of them once they slow down and get buried.

bud29 09-21-2013 05:13 PM

Technically, we do have the "Members' tanks" subforum in both the FW and SW sections, which is geared for things such as journals, builds, etc. - however other forums still get cluttered. IMO one reason is that the other sections get more traffic - not nearly as many people visit the members' tanks subforum, and people want followers on their journals (which is definitely understandable).

Brian_Nano12g 09-21-2013 05:29 PM

I guess that makes sense there's a "freshwater member's tank showcase" area. But I think it's ambiguous as to what goes where. We have journals in the "Planted" forum that are SEVERAL pages long (mine included... :oops:). If another sub forum can't be created, I think the "showcase" sub forum should be altered in the title to include "journals /builds" so it's more clear where to start them. Perhaps have the mods help in migrating our threads there? And move future misplaced threads there? If not reorganizing this somehow (e.g. previously mentioned new sub-forum).

Edit: It's just confusing and some really good build threads in FW planted and SW get buried to the point they're hard to find unless you go the user and search for threads they started...

fort384 09-21-2013 11:19 PM

One thing to keep in mind, we are generally very conservative when it comes to adding subforums. We really like to keep things tight, as if you have under-utilized subforums that don't generate a lot of traffic, when people do post there, it might go unnoticed, as can happen in the "showcase" forum.

We will definitely consider this one as a staff, and do some research/homework to see what it might look like... Even if it doesn't change right away, we always appreciate suggestions to make this great community even better!

Autumnsky 09-21-2013 11:42 PM

I think that sounds great too, and adding the inverts has helped tremendously! Thanks for considering the possibility.

It is a good idea for keeping people with knowledge and experience to stick around. People do become friends here:thumb:

Billbug68 09-22-2013 12:02 PM

I agree! If anything, add a "Members planted tank showcase" or you can add to them and make it,
"Members planted tank showcase/journals"
Same for the salt section, I noticed a lot of people start build threads in the "getting started" section or "tank showcase section"

Good eye, Brian. I'm not sure how it needs to change, exactly, but I think something DOES need to change...

HUKIT 09-22-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billbug68 (Post 2661626)
I agree! If anything, add a "Members planted tank showcase" or you can add to them and make it,
"Members planted tank showcase/journals"
Same for the salt section, I noticed a lot of people start build threads in the "getting started" section or "tank showcase section"...

Why stop there? What about a Cichlid tank showcase and old world and new world cichlid subforums. How about splitting the buy/sell, split it off into dry good or livestock, selling or wanting to buy? I could go on and on with subforums for every category and subforums for those subforums. It does nothing but clutter the forum and confuse new members who sometimes have difficulty as it is, what make it worse? Just adding in my two cents...

bud29 09-22-2013 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUKIT (Post 2662208)
Why stop there? What about a Cichlid tank showcase and old world and new world cichlid subforums. How about splitting the buy/sell, split it off into dry good or livestock, selling or wanting to buy? I could go on and on with subforums for every category and subforums for those subforums. It does nothing but clutter the forum and confuse new members who sometimes have difficulty as it is, what make it worse? Just adding in my two cents...

I agree that adding a subforum specifically for planted tank journals would probably be getting too specific, at least considering the amount of those threads we have now. But simply adding "journals" to the name of the showcase section wouldn't be too huge of a change, and encourage more people to place their builds/journals there as opposed to other subforums such as getting started.

maxwellag 09-23-2013 02:27 AM

I think this is a great idea. The reason that comes to my mind for doing this is clarifying the purpose of the thread. In the Planted Tanks subforum, most of the threads have one topic (someone explaining their situation and asking for advice). With journal/build threads, a person explains their thoughts, shows progress, asks for advice and sometimes gives advice to people. Basically, a "journal" or "build" thread seems to have a wider purpose than receiving advice. They also last for long periods of time compared to advice threads. This may also be a nice and designated place to look for inspiration on future builds, or see what others are doing with their tanks.

henningc 09-24-2013 02:56 AM

Just me again, but maybe a small section for different types of journals, subsection tabs such as breeding, live food, floating plant, rooted plants, etc. That would keep things tidy. I have basically kept a journial all summer of my adventures in raising fish in Kiddie Pools. I plan to do a wrap up and what I learned section. Next year I will do it again with different fish. Several people have expressed interest in doing the same thing and it would be nice to compare notes.

bud29 09-24-2013 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henningc (Post 2663644)
Just me again, but maybe a small section for different types of journals, subsection tabs such as breeding, live food, floating plant, rooted plants, etc. That would keep things tidy. I have basically kept a journial all summer of my adventures in raising fish in Kiddie Pools. I plan to do a wrap up and what I learned section. Next year I will do it again with different fish. Several people have expressed interest in doing the same thing and it would be nice to compare notes.

There most definitely is something to be said for some degree of separation, but I don't feel there's enough need for something like that yet. It may also "scare" new members so to speak, having TONS of sections - it makes the place seem much larger than it is.

Wy Renegade 09-24-2013 10:50 PM

We have to balance the need for new sections with how much traffic a particular section would receive. Having tons of subsections that get very little use or even only one or two entries a day or week is a turn-off to members. It can also cause a huge increase in work load for moderation. As it is, a large number of threads have to be moved on a regular basis because they end up posted in the wrong section because members either don't understand the existing sections or don't pay attention to what section they are posting threads in. Adding more subsections simply increases this issue. Neatness and organization has to be balanced with practicality. Previously we had two subsections under the planted tank area. In reviewing those two subsections it was discovered that tank threads and journals as well as general questions on plants and planted tanks were abundent in both. There was no way to sepearate the two without investing a huge amount of time, and no one was really clear on what should go in each. So in the end, we ended up merging the two subsections into a single section, our current planted tank section.

Brian_Nano12g 09-24-2013 11:04 PM

How would adding "journals" to the member's showcase forum title work out? I visited the fw showcase and found so many random threads that don't seem to belong there either. I just think better organization and clearer direction in where to post stuff would make things better... at the moment it seems very convoluted. Perhaps the recruitment of more moderators if it's too much to handle?

octanejunkie 10-01-2013 02:31 PM

Chiming in on this one having lots of forum experience in other genres.

A forum is an organic experience; it grows, shrinks and changes and hopefully adapts based on the needs and activities of it's membership.

There should be a basic structure that clearly directs members where to post and look for info. AA has this. There should be clear delineations where certain information is posted, AA has this too - but people will always mis-use and post in the wrong place, or hijack, or blend topics in threads - I am guilty of the later. I guess the truth is that people are going to use the tool however they want if they are not educated or controlled. I haven't seen much Admin action on this forum, but that is just my observation, and perhaps that is a good thing. There could be more stickys too that describe what each forum and sub-forum are designed for and what/what not to post.

Brian makes a good point, AA could always use more structure, focus and specificity to aspects of the hobby, like shrimp as they become more popular and democratized. Presently, AA is sort of a "catch all" type forum with broad appeal. Unlike TPT, SCAPE, Tropica and many others, AA is not specifically geared to any one aspect of "aquariumism" which makes it approachable and appealing to a wider audience; the same thing that makes it unappealing to serious enthusiasts that don't want to deal with neophytes and seemingly redundant/inane questions.

I think perhaps AA could look at a different hierarchy regarding showcase-type and member's build/jounal threads... I have struggled with this here too: should my build thread go Planted Tanks or Showcase?

Maybe AA could create a section under General Aquarium Forums called Member's Tank Threads and inside it create sub-forums that focus on FW, SW, Planted, Species-specific, etc. and move the current showcase threads that exist in FW and SW respectively. That way all this info is contained in one centralized, parent forum dedicated to member's tanks and journals, with child forums focused on specific areas of interest.

This is just my $0.02 from being on many other forums; some better, some worse, and all with the same issues. I'm glad AA has have active members like Brian that care to suggest how we could improve the forum, and the hobby, for the benefit of everyone. Finding stuff is always the challenge online, the better organized a forum is the more valuable and visited it will be.

Thanks Brian!

meegosh 10-01-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian_Nano12g (Post 2664483)
How would adding "journals" to the member's showcase forum title work out? I visited the fw showcase and found so many random threads that don't seem to belong there either. I just think better organization and clearer direction in where to post stuff would make things better... at the moment it seems very convoluted. Perhaps the recruitment of more moderators if it's too much to handle?

I've added clearing out the FW showcase to my to-do list. If you guys see something out of place, feel free to report it. We cannot possibly see every post in every thread. If it is reported however, every mod/admin sees it and can take action. I don't frequent the dark side, err I mean, SW side often but if a post/thread is reported I will take care of it.

My thoughts on the whole journal subforum idea is simple, you are showing off your tank, it should go into the corresponding FW or SW showcase. I think going to crazy and subdividing everything would not be the best way. While we may have a lot of planted tank enthusiasts, an invert only showcase subforum would hardly get used and just add clutter to the list of forums.

The way I see it is if the tank has freshwater and you want to do a journal, put it in the FW showcase. The titles of the threads should be descriptive enough that you could A) search for "planted" in the FW showcase to see all FW planted tanks or B) scroll through and just click on planted threads.

octanejunkie 10-02-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meegosh (Post 2671937)
I've added clearing out the FW showcase to my to-do list. If you guys see something out of place, feel free to report it. We cannot possibly see every post in every thread. If it is reported however, every mod/admin sees it and can take action. I don't frequent the dark side, err I mean, SW side often but if a post/thread is reported I will take care of it.

My thoughts on the whole journal subforum idea is simple, you are showing off your tank, it should go into the corresponding FW or SW showcase. I think going to crazy and subdividing everything would not be the best way. While we may have a lot of planted tank enthusiasts, an invert only showcase subforum would hardly get used and just add clutter to the list of forums.

The way I see it is if the tank has freshwater and you want to do a journal, put it in the FW showcase. The titles of the threads should be descriptive enough that you could A) search for "planted" in the FW showcase to see all FW planted tanks or B) scroll through and just click on planted threads.

Reasonable compromise... but I think more thought could go towards the original suggestion and overall challenge of how to better organize the forums.

If it helps, I can draft some stickys for particular forums/sub-forums for you to review and implement so we can "train" users on what belongs where and general forum etiquette.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:09 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.