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grimlock3000
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What type of angel fish are you looking to get? Most can get very large, and might be a bit much for a 20 gallon tank.
madasafish
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Don't get an Chinese Algae Eater (CAE), or any other algae eater that is similar (e.g. Albino CAEs). They get to be big (10 inches) and aggressive to other fish. Get a dwarf pleco (e.g. Bushynose, Hairy Tiger) instead. They'll only grow to 4 inches, good for a 20G Tall.
For a tall aquarium, it's good to think about surface-, middle- and bottom-dwelling fish. I'd recommend some tetras (neon, head-and-tail-light, cardinal (harder to keep), black skirt) for the middle, maybe a loach (Gangetic are beautiful) for the bottom, and perhaps some silver hatchets or zebra danios for the top. The Angelsfish could work as a, or the, middle-dwelling fish, btw.
Don't exceed the 1-inch-per-gallon rule... See the "calculators" section (tab at the top of the page) of the website if you're confused about this.
Thinking about a tank in terms of aesthetics will be rewarding. A lot of people end up having dozens of fish at the top or bottom of their tanks. This looks a little boring...
I'd recommend no more than 10-12 fish in the tank, if you're going to get differently sized fish, and no more than 18 or 20 if you're getting all small fish (i.e. neon tetras, endler's livebearers).
Good luck...
For a tall aquarium, it's good to think about surface-, middle- and bottom-dwelling fish. I'd recommend some tetras (neon, head-and-tail-light, cardinal (harder to keep), black skirt) for the middle, maybe a loach (Gangetic are beautiful) for the bottom, and perhaps some silver hatchets or zebra danios for the top. The Angelsfish could work as a, or the, middle-dwelling fish, btw.
Don't exceed the 1-inch-per-gallon rule... See the "calculators" section (tab at the top of the page) of the website if you're confused about this.
Thinking about a tank in terms of aesthetics will be rewarding. A lot of people end up having dozens of fish at the top or bottom of their tanks. This looks a little boring...
I'd recommend no more than 10-12 fish in the tank, if you're going to get differently sized fish, and no more than 18 or 20 if you're getting all small fish (i.e. neon tetras, endler's livebearers).
Good luck...
Also-what small algae eater would you suggest? (Otos?)
G
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No, way too fragile. Please try fishless cycling.
Neons and/or cardinals with an angel, may or may not work. The little guys may become dinner. However I have heard succes stories of people buyng very young angels and raising them with neons, so the neons are never considered "food."
FW angels, there are no Dwarf varieties, you can't tell when you get a little one how big it will get.
You want 2-3 Cory catfish, IMO, they are clowny little fellers, very amusing to watch, good at nosing around for the uneaten food too.
Ottos are good but only after the tank is well established. Make sure there is lots of algae for them as well. Siamese algae eaters are a good choice as they only grow 4-5 inches. But they tend to fight in smaller tanks so I would stick with one. Instead of an angel some gouramis would be a good idea. Get the dwarf ones. They can reach up to 4 inches in size sometimes, are slightly aggressive and use the whole tank. Fun to watch and colourful as well.
The problem with using fish for cycling is that you only end up cycling the tank to the fish that are in it. Every time you add a new fish the cycle starts again. Fishless cycling or the use of Biospira to cyle the tank allow you to add all of your fish at one time.
The problem with using fish for cycling is that you only end up cycling the tank to the fish that are in it. Every time you add a new fish the cycle starts again. Fishless cycling or the use of Biospira to cyle the tank allow you to add all of your fish at one time.
Do you mean for cycling? Or just for the final tank setup?
Cories should be kept in at least groups of 3 if not more. And tetras should be in groups of at least 5. The shark might be okay as long as there is lots of drift wood and hiding places on the bottom. Otherwise they tend to get really violent.
IF you put either plants or fake silk plants in the tank then the cardinals might be able to survive the angel much better as they have hiding places.
Cories should be kept in at least groups of 3 if not more. And tetras should be in groups of at least 5. The shark might be okay as long as there is lots of drift wood and hiding places on the bottom. Otherwise they tend to get really violent.
IF you put either plants or fake silk plants in the tank then the cardinals might be able to survive the angel much better as they have hiding places.
yea, after cycling...Im going to add lots of real plants & driftwood, sand substrate, and good lighting. So, than what about this? 3 Cory catfish, 1 baby angel, 5-7 cardinals, & Red tailed black shark? ...too much bioload?
I would add the sand during the cycling. You need a good substrate for the bacteria to grow on, plus it gives plenty of time for the sand to settle out of the water column.
If you have plenty of plants and good filtration then that bioload should be fine. I would just make sure to have all the necessary test kits and test the water often. This will become more necessary when the angel and shark grow larger.
You might loose some cardinals, you might not. But it definatly won't happen until the angel grows larger so hopefully it will all work out.
If you have plenty of plants and good filtration then that bioload should be fine. I would just make sure to have all the necessary test kits and test the water often. This will become more necessary when the angel and shark grow larger.
You might loose some cardinals, you might not. But it definatly won't happen until the angel grows larger so hopefully it will all work out.
silvi-p
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
hi guys,
hhmmm... you find me a bit confused. does anybody care for water hardness when selecting fish for tanks? also, if you say 20g, is there a standard size to these tanks in inches?
Asking because I know about a different rule for stocking. avoids to put in fish that get too big: tank length should be 10x estimated final size of (biggest) fish, tank height & depth (each) should be 3-4x final fish size.
what do you think about that? cause, if you say, those fish are ok, as they only get 4" big, what do they do if the tank is only 20" long? like no room to swim?
don't get it wrong. you are responsible for what you do with your tank. just asking if anybody knows about that other rule.
regards,
silvia
hhmmm... you find me a bit confused. does anybody care for water hardness when selecting fish for tanks? also, if you say 20g, is there a standard size to these tanks in inches?
Asking because I know about a different rule for stocking. avoids to put in fish that get too big: tank length should be 10x estimated final size of (biggest) fish, tank height & depth (each) should be 3-4x final fish size.
what do you think about that? cause, if you say, those fish are ok, as they only get 4" big, what do they do if the tank is only 20" long? like no room to swim?
don't get it wrong. you are responsible for what you do with your tank. just asking if anybody knows about that other rule.
regards,
silvia
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