Help needed! What gender are these angelfish?

[Ms_Angel]

Morning from Cape Town. I would love to get one more angelfish for my tank, but I'm unsure what the other three fish are. I could be sitting with a bunch of brothers or a bunch of sisters, and I don't want to cause drama because the three angels are very peaceful together. So if there's an angelfish sexing expert out there, please help See attached. I apologise in advance, for the amateur photos (my fish were in shy mode this morning) ! Can anyone let me know and I will post better pics as well.

 

[Aiken Drum]

Do you mean sex, not gender?

If they pair up and start breeding, then the one laying the eggs is female, and if the other is successfully fertilising them then that's a male.

While wild caught angelfish cab be reliably sexed at maturity, most are farmed now and males can have female characteristics, and females can have male characteristics. You might even get 2 females who try to breed, one lays the eggs and would be female, but another female takes on the male role and tries to fertilise them, unsuccessfully. A few weeks later they might change roles.

Are these fish old enough to be showing any male/ female characteristics? They look quite young. None are showing a bumped forehead which might suggest a male, and none are showing a papilla which might suggest a male or female.

 

[Ms_Angel]

Do you mean sex, not gender?

If they pair up and start breeding, then the one laying the eggs is female, and if the other is successfully fertilising them then that's a male.

While wild caught angelfish cab be reliably sexed at maturity, most are farmed now and males can have female characteristics, and females can have male characteristics. You might even get 2 females who try to breed, one lays the eggs and would be female, but another female takes on the male role and tries to fertilise them, unsuccessfully. A few weeks later they might change roles.

Are these fish old enough to be showing any male/ female characteristics? They look quite young. None are showing a bumped forehead which might suggest a male, and none are showing a papilla which might suggest a male or female.

Thanks so much, I really appreciate the info

 

[Bill the fish]

The only thing i know about Angel fish is if their eyes are red they are happy where they are

 

[Andy Sager]

The only thing i know about Angel fish is if their eyes are red they are happy where they are

Actually, that's not true. Not all color forms of Angelfish ever get red eyes no matter how happy they are. In wild and wild type colors, ( i.e. Silvers, stripeless, Marbles, Golds, ) the eyes get red with maturity. So in other words, if you are wanting young fish, you don't want fish with red eyes. If you want mature fish for breeding and you know the sex of the fish, red eyes can be a good indicator of sexual maturity.
There are a lot of old wives tales about Freshwater Angelfish out there. I've been working with them for over 50 years commercially so I've heard almost all of them. LOL The reality is this, the genetics of today's Angels are so mixed and screwed up that there are very few hard and fast rules anymore since many hybrids have now been created using wild fish from different rivers and areas in South America. That means that any fish could have wild blood in it that's only a generation or two from wild. ( Just to make it a bit more confusing for us hobbyists. :^s )