Q re cycling new 10gal tank

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I don’t understand why the link to the YouTube video disappeared. Is there a particular method to sharing such links that i’m not aware of? Please advise.
I just copy the URL to get my videos to show. Apparently, whomever owns the video you are trying to show does not allow the sharing OR, if it's your video, you must have missed a setting on it that doesn't allow it to be viewed by anyone other than you.
Also, Andy, please share your opinion of my use of an alternative to pothos—in this case, a spider plant. TY
I've never needed to use plants to reduce nitrates because I regularly change water so I'm not sure what plants are best to let dangle in the tank. This is a list of plants supposedly safe for hillstream loach tanks:
  • Pothos (Devil's Ivy)
  • Philodendron
  • Lucky Bamboo
  • Spider plant
  • Monstera
  • Hoya
  • Calathea
  • Tradescantia (Inch plants)
  • Parlor Palm / Bella Palm
  • Aluminum Plant (Pilea cadieri)
  • Aglaonema Chinese Evergreen
  • Peace Lily
  • English Ivy
  • Zebrina
As you can see, the side plant is on this list. (y)
 
Andy, note the photo of the spider plant—purchased last night—it’s been in conditioned water—put it thru several rinse cycles to remove as much potting soil & vermiculite as possible. I have a DIY suction cup + tie standing by. Does it look ok for immersion?

Also, i’m curious: what’s the greatest frequency of water changes u’ve had to do to maintain optimal conditions? & what %age? Am i correct in assuming that u’ve mostly cared for sizeable tanks (ie, greater than 10gal)?

I’ll likely do a water change tonight, followed by introducing the plant.

Please advise. TY
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Andy, note the photo of the spider plant—purchased last night—it’s been in conditioned water—put it thru several rinse cycles to remove as much potting soil & vermiculite as possible. I have a DIY suction cup + tie standing by. Does it look ok for immersion?
Just let the roots go into the water. The rest of the plant stays above the water line. Everything above the place where the roots grow from the plant should be above the water line so I'm not sure how much your suction cup idea is going to work unless you plan on suctioning it to something above the tank. Here you may find some other ideas: https://www.plantedtank.net/threads/above-tank-plant-bracket.1326668/
Also, i’m curious: what’s the greatest frequency of water changes u’ve had to do to maintain optimal conditions? & what %age? Am i correct in assuming that u’ve mostly cared for sizeable tanks (ie, greater than 10gal)?
I had set up most systems to do daily water changes. New water would come in at different times of the day which was about 25% of volume by the end of the day. As for tank size, I've done tanks as small as 1 gallon marine tanks to 300 gallon freshwater tanks to 1000 gallon lines of separate tanks. New water is what helps keep fish tanks healthy. Period, Full stop!!!
I’ll likely do a water change tonight, followed by introducing the plant.

Please advise. TY
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Just let the roots go into the water. The rest of the plant stays above the water line. Everything above the place where the roots grow from the plant should be above the water line so I'm not sure how much your suction cup idea is going to work unless you plan on suctioning it to something above the tank. Here you may find some other ideas: https://www.plantedtank.net/threads/above-tank-plant-bracket.1326668/

I had set up most systems to do daily water changes. New water would come in at different times of the day which was about 25% of volume by the end of the day. As for tank size, I've done tanks as small as 1 gallon marine tanks to 300 gallon freshwater tanks to 1000 gallon lines of separate tanks. New water is what helps keep fish tanks healthy. Period, Full stop!!!
Andy, the ‘suction cup solution’ worked (unless u detect something amiss in the 2 pix i’ve attached, in which case, please ‘splain!!!).

Last water change was on the 9th; thus far it’s looking like i can’t desist for more than 2-3 days—all readings r steady, but the nitrate has skyrocketed to 40ppm🤦🏻 Gobsmacking🙀

Hopefully the non-aquatic plant will impact the situation favourably, but apart from that, i’m thinking your ‘daily 25%’ might be a good idea.

Re the spider plant intro, do u happen to know if there’s a range of time it takes (eg, 1 day to a week? 1 week to a month?) for improvement to occur?

I will also checkout the link u shared on the topic, & THANKS AGAIN!!!!!
 

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Andy, the ‘suction cup solution’ worked (unless u detect something amiss in the 2 pix i’ve attached, in which case, please ‘splain!!!).
If the bottom of the plant is in the water, it's a problem. You just want to roots under water. I can't tell from your pictures whether you did that.
Last water change was on the 9th; thus far it’s looking like i can’t desist for more than 2-3 days—all readings r steady, but the nitrate has skyrocketed to 40ppm🤦🏻 Gobsmacking🙀
That's the way it goes. It's one of the problems with smaller tanks. They are harder to control. :(
Hopefully the non-aquatic plant will impact the situation favourably, but apart from that, i’m thinking your ‘daily 25%’ might be a good idea.

Re the spider plant intro, do u happen to know if there’s a range of time it takes (eg, 1 day to a week? 1 week to a month?) for improvement to occur?
It all depends on the plants you use. There is no range of time for how long it takes. I would say that if there is no reduction in a week, you don't have enough plants to compete with your ammonia production. Remember, it's ammonia production that eventually causes nitrates. When you control ammonia, you control nitrates.
I will also checkout the link u shared on the topic, & THANKS AGAIN!!!!!
 
Oh Andy—u’ve been an incredible mentor, but i fear ur losing patience w/me😞 I hope not, as i have more Qs & more results to report!

Re spider plant positioning; approx 1/2” of plant was in the drink—but i adjusted it—now it’s just roots. Why is it problematic if part of the plant is immersed? In any case, it’s fixed.

I emailed the producer of the video i referenced (listing ‘pet friendly’ plants) to learn of his experience w/the ‘timing’ factor (ie, when, on average, one’s likely to observe the desired water improvement) & what he might recommend instead of the spider plant (of the nontoxic variety). Will share his reply when received.

More confusion: u say ammonia production contributes to nitrate production, but the ammonia level is consistently ‘0’; is this meaningless?/not a positive sign?

Per your recommendation, i will watch for a (hopefully) positive impact within a week; in the meantime, do u think i should do a DAILY 25% water change?

Further re nitrate measuring. U said the testing reagents vary in reliability; i was wondering if the Sera products might be an improvement over the API products. Do u have an opinion on that?

THANK YOU, Andy✨
 
Oh Andy—u’ve been an incredible mentor, but i fear ur losing patience w/me😞 I hope not, as i have more Qs & more results to report!
If/ when I lose patience, you'll know. ;) ;) :lol: You don't learn if you don't ask so ask away. (y)
Re spider plant positioning; approx 1/2” of plant was in the drink—but i adjusted it—now it’s just roots. Why is it problematic if part of the plant is immersed? In any case, it’s fixed.
Because when a non aquatic plant is placed in the water, it often kills the plant. The roots can grow in water because that's how they uptake the nutrients.
I emailed the producer of the video i referenced (listing ‘pet friendly’ plants) to learn of his experience w/the ‘timing’ factor (ie, when, on average, one’s likely to observe the desired water improvement) & what he might recommend instead of the spider plant (of the nontoxic variety). Will share his reply when received.

More confusion: u say ammonia production contributes to nitrate production, but the ammonia level is consistently ‘0’; is this meaningless?/not a positive sign?
It works this way, the nitrates are the result of the conversion of nitrite to nitrates. Nitrites are the result of the conversion of ammonia to nitrite. If there is limited ammonia, there is less nitrites. If there is less nitrites then there are less nitrates. You don't get nitrates if you don't have ammonia first. The zero level you are getting is good for the tank but the only reason you are getting the zero reading is because it's being converted to nitrites which will converted into nitrates. It's not that it's meaningless as part of this situation, it's just proof that nitrates are in the process of beginning to be created. Think of it this way: If you didn't eat food, you would never poop. There would be nothing to poop out if you didn't eat food. So if you don't have a lot of ammonia ( a.k.a. Food), you won't have a lot of nitrates ( a.k.a. poop) ;) .
Per your recommendation, i will watch for a (hopefully) positive impact within a week; in the meantime, do u think i should do a DAILY 25% water change?
I couldn't hurt.
Further re nitrate measuring. U said the testing reagents vary in reliability; i was wondering if the Sera products might be an improvement over the API products. Do u have an opinion on that?
Fritz Aquatics now has test kits. You might want to use their Master or Nitrate kit as a comparison to the API kit.
THANK YOU, Andy✨
(y)
 
If/ when I lose patience, you'll know. ;) ;) :lol: You don't learn if you don't ask so ask away. (y)

Because when a non aquatic plant is placed in the water, it often kills the plant. The roots can grow in water because that's how they uptake the nutrients.

It works this way, the nitrates are the result of the conversion of nitrite to nitrates. Nitrites are the result of the conversion of ammonia to nitrite. If there is limited ammonia, there is less nitrites. If there is less nitrites then there are less nitrates. You don't get nitrates if you don't have ammonia first. The zero level you are getting is good for the tank but the only reason you are getting the zero reading is because it's being converted to nitrites which will converted into nitrates. It's not that it's meaningless as part of this situation, it's just proof that nitrates are in the process of beginning to be created. Think of it this way: If you didn't eat food, you would never poop. There would be nothing to poop out if you didn't eat food. So if you don't have a lot of ammonia ( a.k.a. Food), you won't have a lot of nitrates ( a.k.a. poop) ;) .

I couldn't hurt.

Fritz Aquatics now has test kits. You might want to use their Master or Nitrate kit as a comparison to the API kit.

(y)
Tried to purchase the Fritz product—not readily available here in Canada😞 Found a store in Ontario (i’m in Vancouver) that carries it—placed an order that i will likely cancel as it appears i’m expected to pick it up🤦🏻

IF they CAN/DO ship, super; sent an email to request shipment or cancellation (dangit😾).

What about SALIFERT? That, Sera, or API r my only immediate options🙁 Please advise. TY
If/ when I lose patience, you'll know. ;) ;) :lol: You don't learn if you don't ask so ask away. (y)

Because when a non aquatic plant is placed in the water, it often kills the plant. The roots can grow in water because that's how they uptake the nutrients.

It works this way, the nitrates are the result of the conversion of nitrite to nitrates. Nitrites are the result of the conversion of ammonia to nitrite. If there is limited ammonia, there is less nitrites. If there is less nitrites then there are less nitrates. You don't get nitrates if you don't have ammonia first. The zero level you are getting is good for the tank but the only reason you are getting the zero reading is because it's being converted to nitrites which will converted into nitrates. It's not that it's meaningless as part of this situation, it's just proof that nitrates are in the process of beginning to be created. Think of it this way: If you didn't eat food, you would never poop. There would be nothing to poop out if you didn't eat food. So if you don't have a lot of ammonia ( a.k.a. Food), you won't have a lot of nitrates ( a.k.a. poop) ;) .

I couldn't hurt.

Fritz Aquatics now has test kits. You might want to use their Master or Nitrate kit as a comparison to the API kit.

(y)
 
Tried to purchase the Fritz product—not readily available here in Canada😞 Found a store in Ontario (i’m in Vancouver) that carries it—placed an order that i will likely cancel as it appears i’m expected to pick it up🤦🏻
WOW!!! That would be a long drive. ;) ;) I'm crazy enough to do it but I drive from Florida to Maine every year so I AM a little crazy. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
IF they CAN/DO ship, super; sent an email to request shipment or cancellation (dangit😾).

What about SALIFERT? That, Sera, or API r my only immediate options🙁 Please advise. TY
Salifert would be my next best choice. Their test kits tend to be easier to read and use. Sera would be a last ditch effort due to the ease for waste and lack of availability of replacement reagents.
 
Thanks for the advice, Andy—will order Salifert😺

(LOVE New England—i’m a New Yorker—born/bred there—miss Madhattan!!!)
 
Thanks for the advice, Andy—will order Salifert😺

(LOVE New England—i’m a New Yorker—born/bred there—miss Madhattan!!!)
I was born and lived my first 16 years in New Jersey. After 3 years of going to FL for vacations, we tried Maine. Best move ever. ;) (y) Now I live in Florida and go elsewhere for vacation. LOL
 
I love FL for the WILDLIFE—amazing diversity—altho it’s troubling that some of the critters inhabit the place due to the ‘pet trade’ & irresponsible pet owners who get bored & either don’t consider or aren’t aware of how their pet-dumping is impacting the ecosystem😞
Nonetheless, when i visited my mom who lived there for 5yrs until she got her wings, i went wild watching & photographing the varmints!!! Apart from the blanketing humidity/soaring heat, i had a blast!

During one visit i rescued a baby conure from a peregrine falcon! Was going to adopt it, but a fiendish acquaintance stole it😾😿 (story for another time!!!).

Re our scaly friends, i should receive the Siefert tomorrow!!!
 
I love FL for the WILDLIFE—amazing diversity—altho it’s troubling that some of the critters inhabit the place due to the ‘pet trade’ & irresponsible pet owners who get bored & either don’t consider or aren’t aware of how their pet-dumping is impacting the ecosystem😞
Nonetheless, when i visited my mom who lived there for 5yrs until she got her wings, i went wild watching & photographing the varmints!!! Apart from the blanketing humidity/soaring heat, i had a blast!

During one visit i rescued a baby conure from a peregrine falcon! Was going to adopt it, but a fiendish acquaintance stole it😾😿 (story for another time!!!).

Re our scaly friends, i should receive the Siefert tomorrow!!!
Blaming the pet trade for the FL's animal problem is like blaming the trees for snow. Long before the pet trade was " hot", some animals were purposely released by the film industry as well as the Fish & Wildlife commission and even escapees from medical research labs. The real issue is them as well as irresponsible pet owners who released their pets, which is 100% illegal and always has been for as long as I've known. Then there is another issue and this is the inappropriate facilities that were not hurricane proof. The " recent" Burmese python problem is believed to from a breeding facility that was destroyed during Hurricane Andrew but long before that hurricane, there were many animals that were released by their owners when they got tired of keeping them or they didn't want the adult versions of their cute little pets ( as they were when they got them). But there is yet another cause, hitchhikers. With Miami being a port city for the Caribbean, many species got here on boats in, and I kid you not, banana boxes and other fruits. Spiders, Anoles, insects and more came on these boats.
Lastly, and these are the most dangerous to the environment, are the good hearted people who believe that just because an area has water, it's okay to release a fish in it, no matter where that fish came from and without any consideration for their impact to the environment. Many Pacific Ocean marine fish were released into the Atlantic Ocean by these kinds of people.
As for the invasive birds, they have wings ya know ;) and some may have just flown here. That was the case in California where flocks of birds were flying there from Mexico. But once again, the argument could be made about the good hearted people who didn't want to clip the wing feathers of their birds which would keep the birds from flying away and keep them safe in their homes. It doesn't take a genius to know that an open window + a bird with the ability to fly will often lead to an escapee.
So as I said, the Pet industry could be blamed for bringing SOME of the animals to Florida but it is a small percentage of the cause of the problem in totality.
 
Thanks for the elucidation, Andy, & apologies to the pet trade overall, altho every venue has its ‘bad apples’; just as not all MDs r altruistic/in the field to heal/protect/educate their patient base, many folks enter a field because they need to ($$… modest or not, for some, it’s the difference between feeding the fam/themselves or not).
It’s a horrifying tragedy, that folks w/a streak of heartlessness, even a dash of sadism, slip into the mix.
Another pet person i know who works in retail shared some horror stories—too heinous to repeat—attributable to Petsmart. She learned of the purported atrocities via employees of that company—certain unspeakable ‘solutions’ for potential pets deemed ‘expired’ or unviable for whatever reason🤦🏻😿

The ‘hitchhiking’ phenomenon is as old as time, & of course i comprehend the ‘kindly’ inclinations of folks who think it’s ok to release aquatic dwellers into water systems. They’re acting from the heart without educating themselves about possible dire consequences.

Since u r very knowledgeable/aware of this ‘species transfer’ process, i’m sure u know about the Lionfish debacle, which, imo, is tragic not just for the systems decimated by the exotic beauties, but for THE exotic beauties themselves😞
I ‘get’ the drive/necessity to cull these fish, but the brutality of it crushes me—most commonly (from what i’ve read), ‘spearing’🤦🏻
And adding insult to injury, often the ‘controlling agents’ (humans) CELEBRATE the plunder. Yep, Life on Earth is tough!!!!!

Starlings—one of my favourite feathered friends—is much maligned where i live in Canada—thankfully, NOT to the extent of being exterminated, but viewed as concerning competition to native species. Starlings r fascinating—brilliant creatures, imo—super entertaining. They’re regulars on our balcony, & we welcome them; they r stowaways from Europe, so i understand.

Although, of course, there’s a percentage of stewards who oversee wildlife populations & humanely monitor the ‘balance’ factor, HUMANS r significant contributors to A LOT of what goes awry in Nature. I could really get into a misanthropic rant here, but will refrain!!!
 
Thanks for the elucidation, Andy, & apologies to the pet trade overall, altho every venue has its ‘bad apples’; just as not all MDs r altruistic/in the field to heal/protect/educate their patient base, many folks enter a field because they need to ($$… modest or not, for some, it’s the difference between feeding the fam/themselves or not).
It’s a horrifying tragedy, that folks w/a streak of heartlessness, even a dash of sadism, slip into the mix.
Another pet person i know who works in retail shared some horror stories—too heinous to repeat—attributable to Petsmart. She learned of the purported atrocities via employees of that company—certain unspeakable ‘solutions’ for potential pets deemed ‘expired’ or unviable for whatever reason🤦🏻😿

The ‘hitchhiking’ phenomenon is as old as time, & of course i comprehend the ‘kindly’ inclinations of folks who think it’s ok to release aquatic dwellers into water systems. They’re acting from the heart without educating themselves about possible dire consequences.

Since u r very knowledgeable/aware of this ‘species transfer’ process, i’m sure u know about the Lionfish debacle, which, imo, is tragic not just for the systems decimated by the exotic beauties, but for THE exotic beauties themselves😞
I ‘get’ the drive/necessity to cull these fish, but the brutality of it crushes me—most commonly (from what i’ve read), ‘spearing’🤦🏻
And adding insult to injury, often the ‘controlling agents’ (humans) CELEBRATE the plunder. Yep, Life on Earth is tough!!!!!

Starlings—one of my favourite feathered friends—is much maligned where i live in Canada—thankfully, NOT to the extent of being exterminated, but viewed as concerning competition to native species. Starlings r fascinating—brilliant creatures, imo—super entertaining. They’re regulars on our balcony, & we welcome them; they r stowaways from Europe, so i understand.

Although, of course, there’s a percentage of stewards who oversee wildlife populations & humanely monitor the ‘balance’ factor, HUMANS r significant contributors to A LOT of what goes awry in Nature. I could really get into a misanthropic rant here, but will refrain!!!
Yes, sadly, tropical fish have become " throw away" pets. In many cases, the costs to cure a sick fish cost more than the price to just replace the fish. Some shops make their living from selling poor quality fish just so people spend the money to cure them. It's a very different world from when I was in it, which is why I got out of it. :(
As for the lionfish situation, just like the Iguanas and other invasive species found in Florida, extermination of them will do nothing to the specie as a whole since they are not native to Florida. They can thrive in their native habitats where they belong. In Florida, they are killing off the native flora and fauna so which is worse, removing them from where they don't belong or losing all the native flora and fauna that do belong in Florida? 🤔You seem to forget that fishing comes in all kinds of means. What's the difference between spear fishing for snappers or groupers that you see for sale in your local seafood market vs spear fishing for lionfish? All of these species are now table fare so at least they are going to good use. It's much more dangerous to the fisherman to hook and line or seine net lionfish so spearing them is the next best option. Would you not eat a piece of fish if you knew it was caught with a spear? Maybe you'd prefer they be caught in a big seine net? Maybe on a fishing lure? Maybe from a long liner operation? To most people, the answer is " Of course we'd eat it no matter how it was caught." So once again, it's the kind hearted people who think that since they are already there that they should stay there, they are the same people who are advocating to destroying the natural world as it was intended, whether they realize it or not. :( I'm an animal lover from the start but I have no love for any of the invasive species that are in Florida now ( and one of my Monkeys, who I had for 21 years, was a wild Monkey caught in Florida.) The damage to the state has been devastating over the 50 years I've lived in Florida. So with all due respect to your feelings on the subject, I say get rid of them all in any way possible. If you want to see Monkeys, go to S. America or Africa or the Far East or your local zoo. Want to see Iguanas? Go to where they come from. I've seen them in Brazil, Belize, Grand Caymen, Bahamas and countless other countries...all in their natural habitats. Want to see Lionfish, then go to the Pacific Ocean where they are found in many areas in their natural habitats. You won't see people advocating to destroy them there.
As for ranting, have at it but be forewarned, I'll probably have the anti rant answer. ;) ;) :brows:
 
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