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A little over a month in, pretty sure I`m in the running for the most mistakes made. Recently rertied and thanks to Marty the octopus I seen online, I have an aquarium. Now, I`m aware,saltwater is a long way off for me and thats ok,I`m really diggin this stuff but just like the field of turning wrenches for 40 yrs, education comes first. I just wish at this point I would not have went and got a 37gal,filled it with 78 degree tap water (u can smell the chlorine in my tap water),bought 5 blk/gold molly`s,8 red Tetra`s,5 snails and 10 little shrimp. I didnt hear the word cycle untill two weeks ago. I thought I could learn enough browsing around in here but im to the point it keeps me awake at night, every morning something else has passed, I have to put my pride aside and ask for help. Me coming from the mechanic world,my mindset is a clean filter is a must, Ive changed the filter everytime I`ve seen the water coming out the little bypass 4 maybe 5 times. the filter thats in it now has been there a week. I think I have an issue with my test results. Im getting some conflicting test results to which Ive attached some pics of the from last couple days tests results. Guidance would be great appreciated,and maybe a "go to" for info thats trusted
amazing to me how much I didnt I didnt know about this stuff, very cool though if a guy can get it figured out. note the ammonia results from strip to the liquid test, what the heck?6 28 amon test.jpgam test 6 28.jpg
 

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Can you post what numbers you think the tests are showing. Its easier for you to eyeball the test result in good light than it is me to read them off photos. Im not sure which of the liquid tests is supposed to be the ammonia. The first photo? If so there is something wrong with the test because it's not supposed to be blue.

Let's say your test results are

Ammonia 1ppm (it might be 3ppm)
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrate 5ppm

That's what I would expect for a set of test results for a new aquarium, with fish in them, that hasn't cycled yet.

Your target should be to keep ammonia + nitrite combined below 0.5ppm. So test daily, and every time the combined total exceeds 0.5ppm change enough water to bring it below that target. In your case ammonia 1ppm plus nitrite 0ppm equals 1ppm. A 50% water change should half that down to 0.5ppm which is your target. As your cycle establishes, your ammonia should start to get lower, and your nitrite will show up. As it establishes more, the ammonia will disappear entirely, you will see more nitrite. As it establishes more, the nitrite will start to lower. When you are seeing zero ammonia and nitrite in your daily testing you are cycled enough for your current stock of fish, and can get into a regular water change routine.

What do you mean precisely when you say you "changed the filter"? Are you replacing those black sponges?

You dont want clean filters. The microbes that cycle the aquarium live on those sponges. If you change them or clean them too much you throw away those microbes and your cycling starts over. Just rinse the sponges in dechlorinated water or water taken from the aquarium to ensure water flow is maintained, and keep using them. Sponges should be lasting 10+ years without needing replacing.
 
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O my, I knew this would come out,lol. Im colorblind. hard to explain, i can see just as many different colors as the next guy, I just cant tell u what they are. Kind of wierd.....
But I dont have issues when comparing, so I will say my first couple Ammonia tests,2 weeks ago, showed 4.0.
the last 3 days,the tests have been blue(had wife confirm). I bet Ive actually performed that test 25 times in the last 3 days,thinking i`m doing something wrong. Then I dip the ammonia only test strip in and its tellin me somewhere between 1 and 3 if im seeing it right. Also attaching pics of filters Ive changed, square sponge has NOT been changedused filters.jpg am test 6 28.jpg
 
sorry, i didnt answer. Ammonia,I dont know, its blue
Nitrite-between zero and .25
Nitrate-Zero
 
If the liquid ammonia test is coming out blue, there is something wrong. Either the test is faulty, or you are doing it wrong. The only thought I have is maybe the test turns blue when you go beyond the ability of the test kit to produce a result. Which isn't good.

Replacing the cartridges is fine as long as you only rinse out the black sponges periodically. If you can confirm specifically your filter make/ model is can maybe find you a better way to set it up than "out of the box".

You need to get your water safe. Down below that 0.5ppm ammonia + nitrite combined. That might several 50% water changes. Do them an hour or so apart, as many as you have time for until your ammonia is no higher than 0.5ppm. Even if you only have time for 1 water change today do it. Every water change will help. But do as many as you need as soon as you can.
 
A little over a month in, pretty sure I`m in the running for the most mistakes made. Recently rertied and thanks to Marty the octopus I seen online, I have an aquarium. Now, I`m aware,saltwater is a long way off for me and thats ok,I`m really diggin this stuff but just like the field of turning wrenches for 40 yrs, education comes first. I just wish at this point I would not have went and got a 37gal,filled it with 78 degree tap water (u can smell the chlorine in my tap water),bought 5 blk/gold molly`s,8 red Tetra`s,5 snails and 10 little shrimp. I didnt hear the word cycle untill two weeks ago. I thought I could learn enough browsing around in here but im to the point it keeps me awake at night, every morning something else has passed, I have to put my pride aside and ask for help. Me coming from the mechanic world,my mindset is a clean filter is a must, Ive changed the filter everytime I`ve seen the water coming out the little bypass 4 maybe 5 times. the filter thats in it now has been there a week. I think I have an issue with my test results. Im getting some conflicting test results to which Ive attached some pics of the from last couple days tests results. Guidance would be great appreciated,and maybe a "go to" for info thats trusted
amazing to me how much I didnt I didnt know about this stuff, very cool though if a guy can get it figured out. note the ammonia results from strip to the liquid test, what the heck?View attachment 392020View attachment 392024
Welcome to the world of fish keeping. (y)
For starters, you have the filter situation slightly wrong. Clean is not necessarily better when it comes to fish. Fish come from a world that is slightly dirty and within that dirt are microbes that convert all your bad chemicals ( ammonia and nitrites) into non or less toxic chemicals like nitrates. Here's the thing tho, and I hope I don't confuse you, the toxicity of the ammonia will all depend on the pH of your water. In water with a pH below 6.8, toxic ammonia is converted naturally to non/less toxic Ammonium. That's a good thing. Here's the issue with your situation: while rare, if there is a lot of ammonia or ammonium, the API test can come out so green that it verges on blue. The problem is with the stock you mentioned, it's highly unlikely that they are producing that much ammonia in that sized tank in such a short amount of time unless it's also coming from uneaten food or it's coming from your water company. Unfortunately, posting pictures can be misleading because of how OUR screens are set up. If the color grades don't match the ones you used to post the pic(s), it's not necessarily going to show what is actually there. Since you say your are colorblind, I strongly recommend you switch from color coded tests to digital testers where the values will comes out in numbers and not colors. It will cost a little more for these types of test probes but for your situation, unless you can have someone local to you read your results, you really shouldn't trust what you see. Which brings me to this: Since you are getting very different results, I'd take a sample of your tank water and your tap water to a store and have them confirm what the result is. Don't let them give you a " It's good" or " The water's fine" type answers, get actual numbers/ values and here's the reason why: Below is a picture of the " cycling" process in graph form. 1751145781494.jpeg As you can see in the graph, ammonia will go up and then go down as will nitrites. So if you get a value of say, 5.0 ppm, unless you are testing regularly, you won't know if that 5.0 is on the way up or 5.0 on the way down and that's important to know because they will look the same in both directions but their meaning is very different.

Now for the kicker, ;) the microbes that are doing all this converting of ammonia to nitrites and nitrites into nitrates, do not live well in water with a pH below 7.2 So if you have ammonia( actually ammonium) in low pH water, that's more workable than if you have ammonia in higher pH water because ammonia is a killer.

So for now, before going crazy changing anything, get your water tested so we all are working with the same numbers.

As for the filters: The microbes that do all this converting, live mostly on the surfaces in the tank where there is the most oxygen in the tank and usually, that's in the filter which means the filter cartridges so it's okay for the cartridges to get dirty but all you need to do is rinse them off in water ( best is tank water you are going to toss from a water change) if they get clogged so that water flows through the cartridge. The carbon in those filters only lasts maybe a month so it's basically useless long term for filtering but it's a good source of surfaces for these microbes to live in.

So as you see, this is not like a wrench where an oily one can cause slippage on a bolt so you want a clean one to work with but rather a little dirt isn't going to mess things up and can be very helpful for keeping the water, the most important part of fish keeping, clean. ;) (y)

Hope this helps. (y)
 
If the liquid ammonia test is coming out blue, there is something wrong. Either the test is faulty, or you are doing it wrong. The only thought I have is maybe the test turns blue when you go beyond the ability of the test kit to produce a result. Which isn't good.

Replacing the cartridges is fine as long as you only rinse out the black sponges periodically. If you can confirm specifically your filter make/ model is can maybe find you a better way to set it up than "out of the box".

You need to get your water safe. Down below that 0.5ppm ammonia + nitrite combined. That might several 50% water changes. Do them an hour or so apart, as many as you have time for until your ammonia is no higher than 0.5ppm. Even if you only have time for 1 water change today do it. Every water change will help. But do as many as you need as soon as you can.
I did what ended up being closer to a 60% water change. My initial instructions (from an un named local fish store,which was same guy that said to quit measuring Ph,its 8.2 out of the tap) was to add stress coat to my new water, which I have done. water change has been a couple hrs and ammonia is testing I`d say 3.0 and had that verified.
 
Stresscoat is a water conditioner that removes chlorine, chloramine and some heavy metals that are all harmful to fish. When adding tap water to aquariums, almost all of the time you need to use a water conditioner as most tap water isn't safe for fish.

Stresscoats selling point is that it contains an aloe vera additive that promotes slime coat on the fish, helping with healing and healing minor issues and reducing fish stress. I disagree that the aloe vera additive is a good thing for a few reasons i can go into if you want, but the reason it's pushed by fish stores is that it's ridiculously expensive. I did calculations on the cost per water change on a 200 litre aquarium a few months back. Stresscoat came out at £1.15. Seachem Prime, which is the market leading water conditioner, came out at 23p per water change. While a bottle of each product is comparible, Prime is a more concentrated product so 5ml is enough to treat 200 litres of water, whereas you need 25ml of Stresscoat to treat 200 litres of water.

In your circumstance, while you do need to use a water conditioner with your water change, Stresscoat is a poor choice of product because it gives you no protection from ammonia toxicity. Prime has a claim that it will protect fish from ammonia for a period of time (again i have issues with the claim, but I'm happy to go along with its use as a safety net, compared to not doing anything at all). So not only is Prime significantly cheaper, but it will provide your fish from some protection from the ammonia content in your aquarium. Less money coming in to your fish store though.

API make an equivalent to Prime called API AquaEssential, which is a similar cost per water change to Prime. Personally use Prime or AquaEssential over Stresscoat until your aquarium is properly cycled. After that, I would continue to use the cheaper product, but if you wanted to use the more expensive Stresscoat it's your money. You won't see any benefit though. There is a reason Prime is the market leader water conditioner.

If your ammonia is 3ppm after the water change then you need to continue with the water changes. Regardless of whether your water conditioner protects your fish from ammonia or not, the surefire way to protect fish from ammonia is to remove the ammonia by changing toxic water in the aquarium to clean water. But always use a water conditioner whenever you add tapwater to the aquarium.

Could you also post some water parameters for straight out of the tap? Its useful as a comparison, and there is a possibility that your tap water contains ammonia which would make your water changes less effective.
 
tap results
Ammonia-0
Nitrite-0
Nitrate-0
pH-between 8.2/8.4
Chlorine-1.0ppm

I do have a bottle of Seachem Prime

this mornings tank test,ammonia is 3.0,same as last night when I did the 50% change.
also,is it ok that when I get tap water, I adjust the faucet to 79 degress as opposed to filling w/cold water and letting them sit to acclimate?
 
Try to temperature match the water going into the aquarium with the temperature in the aquarium. Within a few degrees is fine. I assume you have a mixer faucet, so just get the water coming out of the tap to match the water in the aquarium. You should be able to get fairly close by touch.

Without water changes to bring the ammonia down I wouldn't be expecting to see ammonia falling on its own for some time. It takes months to cycle an aquarium. Once you have got your ammonia levels safe, you might be doing daily water changes for a few weeks to keep it safe until the aquarium cycles.

Based on 3ppm ammonia, you need to do 3 x 50% water changes to get below that 0.5ppm safe target.
 
How much time between changes?,im retired, i stare at this thing all day.
can I do more than 1 a day?
 
Changing too much water in too short a space of time can be detrimental, but your ammonia is at toxic levels and an immediate threat to life.

Change half the water, give it an hour. Change half the water, give it an hour. If you have time do that all day until your ammonia is below 0.5ppm. And then continue to monitor daily and do whatever water changes are needed to keep ammonia below that 0.5ppm target. I would also cut back on feeding the fish, once a day as much as is eaten in 2 minutes. Once your cycle starts to establish you can look at properly feeding the fish.

With your other parameters, ammonia above 1ppm is causing immediate, long term harm to your fish.
 
very well, I will get busy.
Thanks so much for the direction.Glad I found this forum when i did. At least now I feel like Im headed in the right direction
 
I've been successful using Seachem Prime so I stick with it. My tap water is well water at 8.4 PH You'll get the ammonia down through the water changes. Enjoy!
 
Welcome to the world of fish keeping. (y)
For starters, you have the filter situation slightly wrong. Clean is not necessarily better when it comes to fish. Fish come from a world that is slightly dirty and within that dirt are microbes that convert all your bad chemicals ( ammonia and nitrites) into non or less toxic chemicals like nitrates. Here's the thing tho, and I hope I don't confuse you, the toxicity of the ammonia will all depend on the pH of your water. In water with a pH below 6.8, toxic ammonia is converted naturally to non/less toxic Ammonium. That's a good thing. Here's the issue with your situation: while rare, if there is a lot of ammonia or ammonium, the API test can come out so green that it verges on blue. The problem is with the stock you mentioned, it's highly unlikely that they are producing that much ammonia in that sized tank in such a short amount of time unless it's also coming from uneaten food or it's coming from your water company. Unfortunately, posting pictures can be misleading because of how OUR screens are set up. If the color grades don't match the ones you used to post the pic(s), it's not necessarily going to show what is actually there. Since you say your are colorblind, I strongly recommend you switch from color coded tests to digital testers where the values will comes out in numbers and not colors. It will cost a little more for these types of test probes but for your situation, unless you can have someone local to you read your results, you really shouldn't trust what you see. Which brings me to this: Since you are getting very different results, I'd take a sample of your tank water and your tap water to a store and have them confirm what the result is. Don't let them give you a " It's good" or " The water's fine" type answers, get actual numbers/ values and here's the reason why: Below is a picture of the " cycling" process in graph form. View attachment 392031 As you can see in the graph, ammonia will go up and then go down as will nitrites. So if you get a value of say, 5.0 ppm, unless you are testing regularly, you won't know if that 5.0 is on the way up or 5.0 on the way down and that's important to know because they will look the same in both directions but their meaning is very different.

Now for the kicker, ;) the microbes that are doing all this converting of ammonia to nitrites and nitrites into nitrates, do not live well in water with a pH below 7.2 So if you have ammonia( actually ammonium) in low pH water, that's more workable than if you have ammonia in higher pH water because ammonia is a killer.

So for now, before going crazy changing anything, get your water tested so we all are working with the same numbers.

As for the filters: The microbes that do all this converting, live mostly on the surfaces in the tank where there is the most oxygen in the tank and usually, that's in the filter which means the filter cartridges so it's okay for the cartridges to get dirty but all you need to do is rinse them off in water ( best is tank water you are going to toss from a water change) if they get clogged so that water flows through the cartridge. The carbon in those filters only lasts maybe a month so it's basically useless long term for filtering but it's a good source of surfaces for these microbes to live in.

So as you see, this is not like a wrench where an oily one can cause slippage on a bolt so you want a clean one to work with but rather a little dirt isn't going to mess things up and can be very helpful for keeping the water, the most important part of fish keeping, clean. ;) (y)

Hope this helps. (y)
could u recommend digital tester? Are there live monitors?
 
Changing too much water in too short a space of time can be detrimental, but your ammonia is at toxic levels and an immediate threat to life.

Change half the water, give it an hour. Change half the water, give it an hour. If you have time do that all day until your ammonia is below 0.5ppm. And then continue to monitor daily and do whatever water changes are needed to keep ammonia below that 0.5ppm target. I would also cut back on feeding the fish, once a day as much as is eaten in 2 minutes. Once your cycle starts to establish you can look at properly feeding the fish.

With your other parameters, ammonia above 1ppm is causing immediate, long term harm to your fish.
i did the 3, 50% changes ,did not vacuum,just water. Ammonia is between 0 and .25. I tried to educate myself today between changes understnding the nitrogen cycle. I`ll test daily. is it ok to test twice daily,like every 12hrs,or is that wasteful?
 
could u recommend digital tester? Are there live monitors?
I did a cursory check for the monitors we've used in the past and none of the brands we've used or sold are listed anymore. :( I'm not trying to spend your money but I found this which does almost everything the old brands did but it's through a smart phone. If you don't have a smart phone ( FYI, I don't have one and refuse to. I'm old and "old school" ;) ;) ) it won't help. :( Amazon.com
If an item like this is not in your budget, I suggest a trip to your local fish store and talk with them about other possible options for you that are digital. (y)

i did the 3, 50% changes ,did not vacuum,just water. Ammonia is between 0 and .25. I tried to educate myself today between changes understnding the nitrogen cycle. I`ll test daily. is it ok to test twice daily,like every 12hrs,or is that wasteful?
Once a day is enough now that your readings are bearable. You'll know tomorrow if your readings are increasing or decreasing or are just not moving yet.
 
Good Morning, this mornings tests..
Ammonia-0-.25
Nitrites-0
Nitrates-between 10 and 20 ppm
37 gal tank

guessing to watch a couple days and see what moves,or small water change?
 
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