Sick Fan tail goldfish (please help)

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Swim bladder, or something else? If so what should I do?

I noticed my goldfish was acting weird yesterday, floating around with the current, floating upside down, or just sitting near the bottom of the tank frequently.

I guessed the issue was swim bladder, so I transferred the fan tail to a makeshift hospital tank (half filled Home Depot bucket)

I mixed in 2.5 tsp of epsome salt and it’s been in there for 24hrs.

So far it seems to have worsened, as now it often either floats at the top or sits at the bottom unless I shake the water or shine a light, then it swims around like normal.

Not sure what else to do other than try and feed it very soft broccoli or a pea to try and clear its tract if that’s the issue.

Anyone know what else I should try at this point?

Should I continue the salt bath another day?

Medical feed?

Thanks for reading

Tank Setup: (Top fin Kit)

  • Size: 30-gallon
  • Other fish: 1 comet goldfish, 1 pleco
  • One hang on back filter
  • Air stone
  • Water changes: 80% weekly
  • Temperature: room temp, no heater
  • Frequently tested with strips, all parameters always ideal
 

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What precisely are the water parameters?

How long has the aquarium been running?

How long have you had the fish?

How big is the fish?
 
I use API test strips, one for ammonia the other for 6 other parameters, it’s always just matched the color of ideal or safe.

Aquarium has been running about 1.5 years. Got the fan tail 6 months ago, it’s not very big and hasn’t grown much, about the size of my thumb.
 
What precisely are the water parameters?
Test strips are notoriously unreliable, it would be good to know what the results are but I would look to get a reliable test kit or get a 2nd opinion on the water parameters.

Whats a normal water change schedule?

A 6 month old fancy goldfish should be about 4" excluding the tail. Being the size of your thumb, it's very stunted.

Your aquarium is quite overstocked, you have 2 very messy fish, the comet on its own is going to be excessive for a medium sized aquarium, and with a pleco too that's a lot of bioload. This would cause growth stunting in any new goldfish introduced into the mix. Stunting causes organ failure which would manifest in the symptoms you are showing. Your fantail could also be struggling to compete for food with the bigger more active fantail sharing the aquarium.

Your treatment method is correct for constipation, but if its a genuine swim bladder issue that's not something that constipation treatment will fix. I would start with going a few days without feeding, then try feeding peas, then move onto epsom salt bath. You have already gone straight to epsom salt, so constipation treatment probably isn't to be sucessful. Following that antibiotic medication may solve the problem, unfortunately antibiotics aren't available over the counter here in the UK, you have to get a vets prescription, so I'm not best placed to make a recommendation there.

If it's an organ failure issue caused by stunting, nothing you can do about that.

Longer term, comets get too big for most aquariums, and would be better in a pond. If you keep it in your aquarium i wouldn't be putting any other goldfish in there. On a side note, goldfish and plecos don't make good tankmates. Goldfish are temperate water fish, and plecos tropical water. Some pleco species also go through a change in diet as they age, and get a taste for goldfish slime coat. You may find the pleco attached to the goldfish sometime in the future getting an easy meal. Do you know what species of pleco you have.
 
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Thanks for the insight!
Sorry for late response, I was at work

Update: the goldfish has been in the salt bath 48 hrs now and seems to be swimming normally, at least upright. Last time it was floating sideways on the surface.

According to the test strip I have in ppm mg/L in the Tank:
Nitrate: 0
Nitrite: 0.5-1
Hardness 150 ppm
Chlorine 0
Moderate alkalinity
Neutral PH

I think the pleco is a plecostomus

Water changes are weekly 80%

Should I return the goldfish to the tank now then?

Also any advice on giving away the pleco?

P.S. My filter just stopped working today. We’re looking at ordering a new one online that arrives tmr, an aqua clear 50 hang on back style. Any advice on other filters that may work better ?
 
According to the test strip I have in ppm mg/L in the Tank:
Nitrate: 0
Nitrite: 0.5-1
Hardness 150 ppm
Chlorine 0
Moderate alkalinity
Neutral PH
This is why giving actual numbers for water parameters is important rather than saying everything is ideal/ good/ safe etc. There is actually a lot wrong about your water parameters.

I have pointed out the inaccuracy of your test kit, but let's take your parameters as they are.

The nitrogen cycle takes fish waste (ammonia) and processes it into nitrate, with a nitrite stage in the middle. Because fish waste turns into nitrate, you would expect to see zero ammonia and nitrite, and some nitrate in your water tests for a healthy established aquarium. Zero nitrate is ideal, but normally unachievable. So you want to keep nitrate below 40ppm, ideally below 20ppm.

In your specific circumstance, you have a couple of very messy fish that produce a lot of waste (ammonia), and all that ammonia should turn into a lot of nitrate. You are reporting zero nitrate, which tells me there is a problem with the accuracy of your testing, and the inaccuracy of your test kit has already been pointed out. And that inaccuracy could be masking problems. You are doing a quite big, frequent water change though, so that would help control nitrate levels, but it doesn't explain zero nitrate. If you had a handful of small fish in your 30 gallon aquarium, chock full of nutrient hungry plants, and you are doing big frequent water changes, then I would accept your zero nitrate. But a comet goldfish and pleco in a 30 gallon aquarium will be producing a lot of waste, and that should be showing up in your testing, but it isn't.

And then we get to the nitrite. In a cycled aquarium nitrite should be zero. Your nitrite is at a level where it will be causing issues with your fishes health. Nitrite poisoning causes a buildup of methemoglobin in the blood, hindering oxygen transport and potentially causing buoyancy issues. Which is what you are seeing. Now the fish has been moved to clean water the issue is starting to clear up.

The elevated nitrite could be down to your filter breaking down, or it could be down to your aquarium and filtration being too small for your fish and it simply being impossible to cycle the tank. Both are possible. Has the nitrite shown up in your testing since the filter broke down, or has it historically been there?

First up, you need an accurate set of water parameters, preferably taken before one of these big water changes. Either get a 2nd opinion from a fish store using a reliable test kit (not strips), or better still get a good test kit like the API Freshwater Master Testkit.
Should I return the goldfish to the tank now then?
Don't put the fantail back in the 30 gallon while there is nitrite still present. Fix the filtration. The fantail will need pristine water quality to recover. Once you are more confident your water parameters are safe, you can return the fantail, and then daily water changes for a while to ensure the fish has the best chance of recovery.

In an ideal world, the comet goes into a pond, the pleco goes into a suitable tropical aquarium, and then the fan tail can go into 30 gallon. The reduction of waste going into the aquarium might solve your water quality issue in there.

If you are planning on keeping the comet, the next best option is for the comet to get a bigger aquarium. A 50 gallon, with filtration rated for 100 gallons would be a better environment for your goldfish. Still rehome the pleco.

If you are set on keeping them both in the 30 gallon long term, fix the filtration and maybe a big, twice weekly 80% water change will compensate for the amount of waste your fish produces. Then the fantail can go back in the 30 with the comet. But its just kicking the can down the road and you will likely continue to see issues in the health of your fish, because 30 gallons isn't big enough for these fish to be kept together.
I think the pleco is a plecostomus
Pleco is just shorthand for plecostomus. There are 100s of species of plecostomus, and they come in all sizes. There are small plecos like a clown pleco, that gets to 3 or 4" and would suit your aquarium, to common plecos that get to 18 to 24" and need to be kept 100 to 200 gallon aquariums. While plecos are often kept with goldfish, they arent good tank mates as they have different needs.

Common plecos are often sold by pet stores as babies, to unsuspecting aquarium owners as a generic algae eater, with no consideration as to their long term wellbeing as adults. As the years go by and they grow, it becomes apparent that they need bigger and bigger aquariums. Unfortunately it's difficult to rehome them and a lot get dumped in ponds, lakes and rivers causing huge ecologically problems. Rehoming them is difficult because a lot of people are trying to get rid of them, and not many people want an adult common pleco. Even if they had a large enough aquarium for one, most people would have more interesting plans for it than a common pleco. The store you bought it from might take it off you if they have a conscience (they would probably take it round the back and euthanise it), you might have a local fish rescue service that would take it, you might get very lucky and find a hobbyist who actually wants one if you advertise. We have another member currently looking for someone to rehome hers.

My filter just stopped working today. We’re looking at ordering a new one online that arrives tmr, an aqua clear 50 hang on back style. Any advice on other filters that may work better ?
As said goldfish are very messy and need a lot of filtration. As a replacement I would look at canister filters rather than hang on backs as they will turn over a lot of water and have more capacity for filter media. And look for filtration rated for double your aquarium.

If you plan on keeping the 30 gallon, look for filtration rated for 60 gallons, so something like a fluval 307. I really don't think it will solve your issue long term, but might kick the can down the road.

If you can upgrade to 50 gallons, then look for filtration rated for 100 gallons, so something like a fluval 407. This will be more of a permanent solution, but ideally the comet should go outside in a pond. If you look to do this, make sure its an ornamental pond, not natural, and that you get the owners permission.

Take whatever filter media you can from your broken filter and use it in your new filter. This will help establish your cycle in your new filtration.
 
Thanks for all the info! Would it be OK if we got the fluval 407 now, used that in our 30 gallon tank temporarily until we move in a few months? Once we move we can get the 50 gallon. Also, I decided to test the reliability of the test strips. I tested the water in my tank, the hospital bucket, and just a glass of fresh tap water and they all had identical readings according to the test strips. I think they measure absolutely nothing at all, since even the fresh tap water had nitrite in it according to the strip.
 
Since you need a new filter anyway, if the long term plan is for a bigger aquarium for the goldfish then get the 407. It's oversized for 30g, but you can lower the flow rate with the aquastop valve. Get whatever filter media you can from your old filter and use it in the bigger filter. Fill up the rest of the filter with new media. Swap the canister onto your new bigger aquarium down the line.

You can't really test the accuracy of your test strips by trying it on different water sources unless you already know what the parameters of each water source actually is. For that you need an accurate water test. Its possible your tap water has nitrite in it. Legal limit for nitrite in drinking water here in the UK is 0.5ppm and in the US its 1.0ppm. One thing you could try is testing some bottled spring water, that should be zero ammonia, zero nitrite and zero nitrate. If your test strips still show a positive result on spring water just throw them away as they are really no good.

I would err on the side of caution and say there is nitrite and you need to do more water changes. That's safer than assuming you don't have an issue and doing nothing.
 
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