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Old 12-03-2005, 02:16 AM   #11
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I am contemplating switching over my 56 gallon freshwater tank into a saltwater tank for clowns... Can different clowns be mixed and how many would I be able to put into a 56 gallon tank? The tank is taller than normal and 30 inches long.

Also what type of filtration will I need? Will I be able to go with a HOB or will a protein skimmer be a must. Also will the glass need to be drilled for a sump pump to create current?

The tank sits in a shelf and I have room for a HOB but not alot else... If a lot extra is needed I will have to keep it freshwater.
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Old 12-03-2005, 10:17 AM   #12
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Depending on the clown varieties...no more than 4, temperaments will dictate alot. You would not be able to do more than a pair of goldstripe marroons. Once again, mixing is a touchy issue, some have done it successfully, others have had big problems. I would recommend a big powerhead with a pvc spraybar hooked to it for your circulation. (this works quite well for me, I have a mag9 pump with spraybar in my marroon clown 55 gallon). With this, you do not have to worry about drilling. You should be just fine with a HOB filtration system as long as it is a decent one. Were you going to be getting liverock?
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Old 12-03-2005, 12:30 PM   #13
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If I transform my 56 gallon then I will not be attempting to mix puffers with clowns and it will be a clown only tank and maybe something else if it is ok... I am not sure of the capacity for SW fish... I have heard its less fish than freshwater. I believe i was told live rock was useless with puffers, So yes I could do the live rock if its just clowns. Which would be better with clowns Coral, Live rock, or Live sand... or mixture?

Will I be able to use my same Emporer 280 HOB filter, or will I need a new one? Sorry for so many questions but I am learning pretty fast and want to make sure I am not only educated but also confident before I even attempt a SW tank.
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LR is simply a much better filter than your HOB ever could be. Assuming you went that route, there is no point in buying live sand--just buy an aragonite sand (one that is made of calcium carbonite which will provide some buffering of the pH) and the live rock will turn it into LS over time. The other thing you would really need is flow about the LR. You can use your existing HOB for this, but you would likely want to supplement this with additional powerheads. The HOB also has the advantage of allowing you to run carbon from time to time. For fish only, you would be looking for a flow rate of about 10 times the capacity of the tank per hour (about 560 gallons per hour total in your case).
As for the question of corals, your fish will be fine without. But if you want to keep corals, the clowns will be compatible with that. If you do keep corals, there are additional things to consider. One is you will need a more powerful light fixture. The other is that corals are less forgiving to water quality than your fish will be, making a skimmer more of a necessity than an option.
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Old 12-03-2005, 10:23 PM   #15
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I don't need the coral. Now I know the puffers and Clown can't go in the 56 gallon because the puffers will outgrow it... however this is just a general question... Are puffers compatible with live rock? I know they aren't compatible with coral, crabs etc...

Is there any tank janitor creature compatible with puffers?
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it depends on the puffer, there are small puffers such as the valentini, you didnt mention what kind in particular. That is why you need to look to see what you want before we can give really detailed comments. www.liveaquaria.com has fish lists broken down by general terms such as "puffers" "triggers" etc. Go look at the different varieties. Minimum tank sizes are also listed for each fish. They also have a compatability chart.
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Old 12-04-2005, 05:00 AM   #17
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it depends on the puffer, there are small puffers such as the valentini, you didnt mention what kind in particular. That is why you need to look to see what you want before we can give really detailed comments. www.liveaquaria.com has fish lists broken down by general terms such as "puffers" "triggers" etc. Go look at the different varieties. Minimum tank sizes are also listed for each fish. They also have a compatability chart.
Thank you so very much! I was just told that puffers got big and produced too much waste so they couldn't be kept in smaller tanks, and they would eat anything that helped clean the tank.
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Old 12-04-2005, 02:16 PM   #18
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i bought a puffer yesterday that will only grow to 3.5 inches. at this size my crabs, snails, and other inverts are very safe. i have 2 clowns and they get along with the puffer great. The puffer thinks he is a clown and swims around the tank with the clowns, it is funny to watch
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does the puffer look like a normal puffer or does it have a long nose like most of the mini puffers I have found?

If this is possible what kind of stock could I have in my 56 gallon tank? 2 perc mated clowns, 1 mini puffer, 1 cleaner shrimp and a damsel?

Is that too much stock or do I have room for more by the time the tank has become very mature? Also if this is not too much how should I add them? Damsel, shrimp, and maybe a crab... then later add the clowns, then the puffer last?
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Depends on the size of the puffer. That would be a good stocking list, taking into account puffers are messy eaters.
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