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Old 01-18-2006, 12:28 AM   #1
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Starting a 55, 75, or 90 Gal Tank... Help with what to buy..

Hey all,


As some of you know we just started a 29 gal tank about a month ago.

My wife and I have quickly found out that a 29 gal tank will not do for our desired occupents, and is sevirly limiting us.

We were talking about upgreading to a 55 Gal in about a year, but after a visit to a new not-so-local Fish store, we found 75, and 90 gal tanks for only a small amount more, and are almost the same size (Wider, but same length).

So we are not sure which we will go with yet, but we are possibly thinking of upgreading a little sooner than a year, possibly in the next 4-6 months.


Our first tank we purchased everything the LFS suggested, and after chatting with many of you on here, we ended up spending $100's more, because the LFS steered us wrong to start...

So before we spend the big big money, I wanted to jump on here and get some input as to what all we will need/want to purchase for our 55, 75, or 90 gal tank.

Unless someone suggests otherwise, we were figureing on getting the tank predrilled for external sump filtration.

Beyond that We are open to suggestion, what type of rock/sand is the best, how much LR should we be looking at getting, what type/brand/model filter system, lighting, etc, etc

Are there any brand's of tanks we should look at, or stay away from? we will be looking at a glass tank.

Thanks for all the help.

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Old 01-18-2006, 02:00 AM   #2
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Ok heres my 1st? Reef tank or FOWLR?

Wider tanks are better then longer keep that in mind also more water you have the better chemistry..

I would go with a 90gal tank for what I said above..

If its going to be a reef tank heres what I would do and get:

If a 90g:

300w heater or 2 150w heaters(this may be better), Hagen Tronic or Ebo Jager Heaters I recommend DONT GO CHEAP ON THIS!!!!!!

Good SKIMMER!! Euroreef are the best buy expensive but worth it.. Euroreef Model CS135

Lighting that depends on what you want 2-5watts usually more if you want clams and High Lighting animals..

Liverock Well also depends if this is the only filtration you want I RECOMMEND THAT, 180lbs of rock, Mix it FIJI, base rock to save $$$, tonga or etc...

Sump is Optional but recommended, I would go with a 40gal sump with refugium, In refugium macro plants, etc..

Your flow must be at least 900gph-1800gph So probably looking at a mag 12 for return from sump at least..

Sand You can go cheap, SOUTHDOWN PLAY SAND, how much depends on what you want to do DSB or reg for DSB you need around 135lbs for a 3" sand bed.

SETUP:

Get some pvc and cut it so you can raise the live rock and aquascape it..

then Cycle your tank, Heater, skimmer on, etc NO LIGHTS with cycle, better to get uncured rock

After Cycle is complete Ammonia 0 Nitrites 0 Then Siphon all the decay stuff on bottom of tank then add your sand, use like a ziploc bag and cut corner in it so you can get the sand where you want it.. After that do a 30% water change..

2-5 days test again if Ammonia and Nitrites are 0 and Nitrates <20 ppm add your clean up crew

I HOPE I HELPED.. Someone else will buzz in and see if i missed anything..
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Old 01-18-2006, 09:33 AM   #3
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One little thing I wish I'd been told... Make sure your stand doesn't have glass doors. I'd love to have a sump/refugium with lights, but can't do that with a glass door.

I'd also suggest you hold out for the 75 or 90g.
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Ouch, $500+ for a skimmer! Is the Euroreef that much better than a AquaC Remora Pro which is half the price? I know you get what you paid for but $$$ for a skimmer that works marginally better could be better spent elsewhere (like a larger tank).
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Euroreef is the BEST.. Aquac is pretty good though, but if you have a big bio load Euroreef will do circles around every skimmer. Im just saying You shouldnt skimp on these main components:

Lighting, heater and skimmer 3 Major areas in my opinion as well as alot of live rock 180lbs for a 90gal tank of course you dont need that much to start but you will need it eventually if thats the only filter you got in the tank.
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With regards to your choices of tank sizes, you know what they say: TBTB (The Bigger the Better).
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ood SKIMMER!! Euroreef are the best buy expensive but worth it.. Euroreef Model CS135
Euroreefs are expensive, I would possibly look at the ASM G2 which will be around half the price, and was supposed to be designed by the same team.

For your return pump... I would get a lower gph pump, then a mag 12, one that matches closely to your out put to the skimmer. Will probably be in the neighborhood of a mag7 when you add in the head foot for pumping water... There is no need to pump more water into and out of the sump, then what your skimmer can handle....

I would then get a good external pump and do some closed loops. If you are saving up for the tank, might as well get it drilled. put in a few holes for the closed loop, so that you wont have to clutter your tank up with power heads. If you are looking for something else to add into the mix... i would look at a sea squirt or another oceans motions wave device that can be used on a closed loop ( you wouldn't be sorry...)

basically a 75 or 90g that is reef ready... and get a few more bulkheads in the tank so you can integrate a pump for a closed loop...

as you can see different people have different thoughts
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Old 01-25-2006, 03:49 AM   #8
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OK guys,

We are going with a 55 Gal. I would like the 90gal, but we have decided that the tank weight and size would be too much for where it has to be placed.

We are getting a 55gal from a friend with a HOB Bio Wheel.


What should we get for this tank? What kind of rocks/sand? Right now we have Dolomite, I have heard alot of people suggest Live sand!?

We are looking at getting LR for this tank, How many LBS of LR per Gal should we have?

Should we have a Skimmer for a 55gal FOWLR?

We will be looking to have: 1 Copper Banded Butterfly (Already Have), 2 Percula Clown Fish, 1 Scooter Blenny, 1 Dwarf Angel.
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1-1.5 lbs of base/lr per gal. Just about any aragonite sand will do and you will need around 130 lbs for a 3"-4" sand bed.

A skimmer isn’t necessary for a fowlr but it’s a good idea to keep your water clean and remove DOC. Below are some good brands for a 55 gal.
Bak Pak Skimmer
Coralife super skimmer
AquaC Remora Pro

Fish list looks good. I would wait a couple of months on the Scooter Blenny until your tank matures though.
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Is the aragonite sand the best to use for a substraight? Better than Crushed Coral or Dolomite?

What's the Difference between Base Rock and Live Rock?


Thanks,

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