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Old 10-11-2013, 08:09 PM   #11
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Hmm...

What are you testing with? Almost everyone on here uses the API Freshwater Master Test kit. You can get it on amazon for $20. But yeah, a cycled tank has 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites, and x amount of nitrates. Also, don't trust almost all of your pet stores, they're almost all wrong.
I, too, use API master test kit. I rank 8+ ammonia, 0 nitrites, and trace nitrate. The test stick I used to use showed no nitrates. And I have learned now from trusting pet stores =/
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:56 PM   #12
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Your fish are in extreme danger with ammonia that high! You'll need to do water changes to bring the ammonia back down. Problem is changing too much at once will cause your fish to go into shock. Start slow, 25% daily for 3 days and recheck your ammonia.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:16 PM   #13
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Your fish are in extreme danger with ammonia that high! You'll need to do water changes to bring the ammonia back down. Problem is changing too much at once will cause your fish to go into shock. Start slow, 25% daily for 3 days and recheck your ammonia.
I have been doing daily water changes for a while now. Things do seem to slowly be getting better. Like the barbs seem less stressed than they used to be. My main problem now is the two fighting males. If I add like just one more male, will the situation get better, like they will form a school, or will it just get worse?
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:23 PM   #14
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Adding another male is going to crate more competition. The only real solution is a tank large enough to house a proper school.
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Woah! Okay, with ammonia that high I would do back to back 75% water changes, with an hour or two in between (so not really back to back, but kind of). That should bring it down to around .5-1 ppm, which should be a bit safer. Ideally it should be at or under .25ppm, but your fish are hardy enough to handle .5 ppm. Once you get it down to safe or safe-ish levels, do a 50% water change whenever it gets above .25 ppm.

By the way, I don't think doing a big water change will shock your fish, and if so it would be better anyway to lower the ammonia. I mean, you don't want to do a 95 % water change on water with drastically different parameters than the tank water, but in this case it wouldn't be too big of a deal.
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Woah! Okay, with ammonia that high I would do back to back 75% water changes, with an hour or two in between (so not really back to back, but kind of). That should bring it down to around .5-1 ppm, which should be a bit safer. Ideally it should be at or under .25ppm, but your fish are hardy enough to handle .5 ppm. Once you get it down to safe or safe-ish levels, do a 50% water change whenever it gets above .25 ppm.

By the way, I don't think doing a big water change will shock your fish, and if so it would be better anyway to lower the ammonia. I mean, you don't want to do a 95 % water change on water with drastically different parameters than the tank water, but in this case it wouldn't be too big of a deal.
Yup I think I'm just going to keep the Daily water changes going. I've been doing them by cleaning the gravel since that's where most of the decaying matter is that is most likely contributing to my ammonia. Hopefully soon all will be well.
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Yup I think I'm just going to keep the Daily water changes going. I've been doing them by cleaning the gravel since that's where most of the decaying matter is that is most likely contributing to my ammonia. Hopefully soon all will be well.
Wait, so you have been doing daily water changes but you still have ammonia over 8? How much water have you been changing per day? I think you should seriously, right now, do a 75% water change, or your fish will die in amonia over 8!
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Herky, have you checked the ammonia in your tap yet? If there is ammonia in your tap water then doing water changes isn't going to help at all.

The other point that everyone seems to be missing here is the fact that Herky has 5 Tiger Barbs in a 10 gallon tank. The only way to solve the issue of them fighting is a larger tank.
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Herky, have you checked the ammonia in your tap yet? If there is ammonia in your tap water then doing water changes isn't going to help at all.

The other point that everyone seems to be missing here is the fact that Herky has 5 Tiger Barbs in a 10 gallon tank. The only way to solve the issue of them fighting is a larger tank.
Exactly, or simply giving them away.

And the point about the tap water is right on.
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I just wanted to comment and say after many water changes and a whole bottle of tetra safestart, the ammonia levels are under control (less than .25), tank is completely cycled, and the barbs are happy as could be. I cleared a little swimming room for them and they created a little school. I think it's more about water quality than size of tank. I also quit feeding as much so they spend a lot of time searching for scraps and keeping the tank even cleaner. Next, I plan on introducing a few plants to also keep water quality good and add color to the tank. What a great hobby.
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