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Old 05-21-2005, 04:30 AM   #1
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Need Help...Mayday...Mayday...(Emergency)

Well i dont know where to begin...I have had my 125 gallon setup for about 2 months, And im having a problem...Well i should say big problem. I have a Orangesholder Tang, and 3 Royal Gramma's for fish in the tank. 2 out of the three Royal Grammas have ICH, Cant tell about the third one since its in a hole of LR, but im guessing it has it also. The Tang seems to be fine so far but might have a spot on him. This just happened within a few hours of this post. And the ich is bad, not just a few spots on the Royal Grammas but all over the body and fins. One has been sitting inside a hole in the LR and I cant tell, another one is swimming in one spot, and the Third is in a crevice and is breathing but looks dead (almost). I have 4 pepermint shrimp also along with some snails and hermits, emerald crabs, and some misc corals. The fish were all in good health when i got them and have been eating very well. No fighting has been occuring (well not while i have been watching anyways)! All the fish have been in the tank about 2 weeks, The tang was introduced a few days before the grammas.

What can i do? What should I do?
I did have 4 royal grammas but one died within the first day very odd...Its mouth was wide open as far as it would go and was dead laying in the sand...No sign of ich or anything on it. I have been feeding with garlic everyother feeding. Corals and Inverts are all very healthy.

My tank Parameters are:
Ammonia: 0
PH 8.4-8.8 (color card really sucks on test kit for PH and cant tell between the two colors. this was taken right before the lights were turned off at the end of the day.)
Nitrates: 0
Nitrites: 0
Calcium: 400ppm

Any advice on what I can do to would be greatly appreciated. After the cycle of the tank I have been doing a 10gal water change every 2 weeks. Do you think its the PH causing the stress or ICH? All the corals are very good and inverts so im not sure it would be the PH...PLEASE HELP!
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Old 05-21-2005, 09:39 AM   #2
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I would get the ph tested by a local store. They do sound stressed, which can bring on diseases like ich. I am surprised that your nitrates would b 0 since you are only doing an 8% water change every 2 weeks. I would increase that change to every week (unless your lfs can confirm your test parameters). The reason I suspect your test parameters is that your tank is so new (only two months). Typically new tanks suffer from nitrate problems and PH is normally low unless you are adding something to the tank (buffers). As far as the ich goes... I will let somebody with some first hand knowledge answer. But get your water checked by a lfs and compare with your results.

Keep us posted and good luck.
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Old 05-21-2005, 10:14 AM   #3
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You need to remove the fish and QT them in a different tank. They will need to be treated with copper or Hypo. The main will need to be fallow for 4-5 weeks. Your corals and inverts should be fine though.

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Old 05-21-2005, 01:33 PM   #5
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My temp on my tank stays within a few degrees and doesnt vary any amount that would notice a difference.... My nitrates have always been 0.. Im testing PH now to see what its at just before the lights come on. My just tested it is at 8.2 right before the lights come on. QT is not really an option i dont have another tank setup yet, plus with all the LR it would take me all day to get them out and only stress them more... I have been feeding with garlic and the tang is eating alot the Royal Grammas are just eating a little bit. I have been adding B-Ionic 2 part additives for calcium and alkilinity. Any Help would be great! TIA
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I guess you can ride it out but you can't treat the tank with corals and inverts. Usually with a reef tank to remove a fish, you have to dismantle your rock, etc.

There have been supposed "reef safe" meds but I have never used any.

Not too many options for you. Garlic is supposed to be good for prevention but not sure about treatment.

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If you're going to fallow your main do it for 6-8w. If your fish are well covered in it you should remove them all to QT and hypo them. Good luck.
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This just sucks that this happened but im not really feeling like tearing apart my whole tank just to get the fish out with all the LR and Everything else...I dont think i would ever get them out unless i removed all the rock. I have tried this many times before....And didnt have any luck. I have tried QT before and for some odd reason the ich just came back. I think im going to get some selcon and with my garlic try to exterminate the problem that way......*crossing my fingers*
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Thanks man WOW i hope this works im glad its the beginning im just praying my tang lives at least..I love that fish...Got the Royal grammas for free and i wish i wouldnt have gotten them at all.
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