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Old 08-02-2004, 11:41 AM   #11
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I was not recommending the use/harvest of dead corals. There are fake items available now there were not available back then. Gift shops in FL will always carry that stuff for tourists though.

The point was that for looks he can do whatever but for filtration other than HOB filters or the use of a wet/dry, LR will be needed.

I still have my old stuff and it is a pretty green /purple now. Should look nice mixed in with my dead base rock in my new 72 gal.

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Old 08-02-2004, 11:57 AM   #12
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You could always add a few mushrooms to your tank....I don't think your fish would mess with them, and they would be great for a low light tank, grow and divide pretty rapidly, and are some of the most beautiful inverts going, especially when you have a variety. Once they cover your live rock, I doubt you would find them ugly.

Besides, with dead coral/rock you will constantly be fighting micro alga growth, no matter how hard y ou try......talk about ugly.

You can get lace rock ( I think they call it) at a nursery as a base for your 275 (along with any dead corals you have) , cover it up with the live rock, and eventully, all the other stuff will have the "live" benefits too. Add the mushrooms, let em go, and in a while you'll have a great "fish only" tank.
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Old 08-02-2004, 12:00 PM   #13
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All good points. Just to add onto the dead coral issue.....bright clean dead coral will simply turn nasty with nuisance algae. It is a sterile (in regards to algae), which makes it the perfect spot for nuisance algae to take hold since it is the most efficient at utilizing available nutrients (desirable algaes...especially corallines...take a while to establish in comparison). In a large tank, that equals a lot of cleaning or a lot of nasty dead coral.
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Old 08-02-2004, 12:33 PM   #14
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ok well in that case maybe you could tell me why my LR is not nice looking. I checked all of my tank conditions and they are perfect but my all of my rocks are covered in green algae. I used to get the red coraline algae for a couple months, that went away and now its green algae. My lighting is 1 regular 40 watt flourescent light and 1 40 watt corallife actinic blue. Maybe the coral life actinic blue light is causing the algae growth? I have good filtraqtion, 1 emperor 400 and 1 fluval 406. I have a protein skimmer, regular water changes/checks. How can i get rid of that green algae all over the rocks and bring the rocks back to their regular stage when i bought them or the coralline algae my puffer loved so much that he decided to eat it all up. Is it because my fish are messy eaters or what? I dont know what the problem is, maybe you people could help me cause ive tried about everything and am the point of giving up on the LR.


Oh yeah, thanks for all the input and help, i appreciate it
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I had the same problem until I added a partial clean up crew. Urchins work good at grazing algea off of the LR and your puffer most likely wont mess with them. Some turbos and hermits might be in order too, but no gaurantee that the puffer wont terrorize them.

If it's Cyano bacteria and not algea thats growing then there are other steps you need to take to eliminate it. If you could provide pics it would help with diagnosis.

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Old 08-02-2004, 01:44 PM   #16
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Hmmmmmm, i will look into the urchin but i have also tried a cleanup crew, within 3 days they were all gone, snails, hermits and emerald crabs. Rightnow i want to get the LR cleaned and upto par before i put it in my 240 gallon that i am setting up. I will try and get some pics for you later. Dont forget, i also have 4 yellow tail damsels, flame hawkfish, yellow hawaiian tang, and 2 percs along with the puff. Is there anything else besides the urchin that might clean up the tank without getting eaten?

oh and somebody said something about putting mushrooms in my tank to liven it up. Will the puffer really not eat these? I dont want him to get high lol

i was thinking of something like this kind of setup for my tank. Doe anyone know what kinds of rocks these people are using?
http://www.aquarium-design.com/tank/collier.html
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What are your phosphate levels?

One should not dismiss the filtration capacity of the live rock. This outweghts the visable life on the rock IMO.

YOu said you have a 75 gal tank? two NO florcents over the tank is hardly enough to grow anything other than nusance alge.
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Agreed on the light problem. You can get a cheap 4x55 PC fixture that will give you some decent coralline growth. This is what I started out with on my 75.

I have a 29 gal with a single NO light and I do get some coralline growth but it is only green and brown. What kind of lights were you planning for the bigger tank? Lighting can be expensive.
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ok well in that case maybe you could tell me why my LR is not nice looking.
In addition to improving your lighting, are you sure that the green isn't coralline? This color grew at a tank I maintain which only had a NO light. I got some purple going now that I finally convinced them to upgrade to a PC unit.

Another thing sticks out to me. You use both a Emperor and Fluval...and mechanical filters are known for raising nitrate levels. They trap debris and generally aren't recommended for reef tanks for this reason.

You are limited with keeping a cleanup crew, so I would instead employ first a heavy duty skimmer. What kind do you have now?

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i was thinking of something like this kind of setup for my tank. Doe anyone know what kinds of rocks these people are using?
Keep in mind these are display tanks for a website. IMO, they are either very new or freshly cleaned. They are using either fake or real coral skeletons, and they will require to be cleaned/bleached to keep that pristine look. With the bioload you are anticipating for the 240g, I do not think you will be able to recreate this look.
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Wazup2o,

I also have a 75 gallon, with about 100 pounds of live rock in it. I couldn't possibly imagine anything looking more stunning than the LR. I would have to agree with the others here about the amount of lighting. I have a 265 watt coralife compact fluorescent fixture on my tank. I can literally see the coralline algae growing by the week.

Another note about the bleached coral. From what I have read, Fish in those kinds of setups have shown a tendency to actually become less colorful and present a more dull appearance.
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