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Old 10-29-2008, 03:05 PM   #11
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Refractometer...got it. I'll let you guys know how I make out once I go to big Al's tonight.
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One more thing, get the calibration solution for the refracto as well.
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:29 PM   #13
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What do you guys think of this refractometer?

Salinity Refractometer: Sybon Scientific Instruments

Also, since the gramma and clown have to be in this QT for 6 weeks, do you guys think I should use a bigger tank? I have a 25 or so gallon that I could clean out and use (it's been sitting dryin my garage). Just need a heater and a light...
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why qt? if the whole main tank as it, why not treat just the main tank and not buying extra stuff for the qt. qt are great and serve their purpose, but from what I remember about ich, the tank has it; not just the fish. if you qt, treat and re-introduce to the main tank, they will get it again.
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why qt? if the whole main tank as it, why not treat just the main tank and not buying extra stuff for the qt. qt are great and serve their purpose, but from what I remember about ich, the tank has it; not just the fish. if you qt, treat and re-introduce to the main tank, they will get it again.
Parasites cannot live/reproduce without a host so if the tank is kept fallow for 30 days the population should die out. By performing hyposalinity in your main tank you highly risk killing your fauna plus virtually all medications affect your biological filtration. A separate qt is essential in maintaining proper control of a given treatment program.
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why qt? if the whole main tank as it, why not treat just the main tank and not buying extra stuff for the qt. qt are great and serve their purpose, but from what I remember about ich, the tank has it; not just the fish. if you qt, treat and re-introduce to the main tank, they will get it again.
Which is why you let the main tank go fishless for 6-8 weeks - to kill the parasite. And if you performed hyposalinity in the main tank, the shrimp/crabs/etc will all die. Any treatment that kills ich will kill everything else in the tank too... except the fish.
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Also, a QT is a much more easily controlled tank.
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4. Will the addition of a cleaner shrimp help (not solve) the ich problem in the main tank?
I'm under the impression that hyposalinity treatments are best done without any inverts present. I also believe that "cleaner" shrimp or even cleaner fish cannot make a huge impact on Ich once it is visible to our eyes because it is buried and well protected. In fact, I believe that while the parasite it in its white spot stage, it is also very well protected against medications, including copper. Anyways, IMHO, the addition of a 'cleaner' is probably more of a preventative measure rather than a 'cure' and probably not worth the risk of having one in a q-tank during hyposalinity treatments.

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I definitely agree and would also point out that, for the most part, our fish have a strong ability to 'fight off' parasites like Ich all on their own if they are healthy enough, which means three things IMO:
  1. In theory, it does make sense to quarantine only one fish for an ich treatment even though the parasite is obviously present in the display tank.
  2. All treatments impose some level of stress on our livestock so treating a display tank can mean a previously healthy fish becomes a good target for ich and/or our inverts suffer.
    • In general, it is the inverts - to include beneficial hitchhikers - that make a difference between approaches to treating ich in a FW and SW tank. (i.e. it is less risky to treat an entire FW display tank)
    • Despite the name, FW and SW ich are different and I believe that the common myth that states "ich is always present" stems from the fact that SW ich can survive for a longer period of time without a host. Point being, treating for a long time is good and once done, treating for longer can only be better...that is, assuming the fish can handle it.
  3. While performing treatments, you will do yourself and your fish a huge favor by focusing intently keeping them as healthy as possible. For example, even if it means that you have to buy more medicine or spend more money on salt, it is a good idea to continue with water changes and perhaps even do more than you otherwise might.
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