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Old 03-03-2005, 09:55 AM   #21
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well, we can't regulate everything. As much as the US uses "big brother" they can't control it all just yet. Sure younger kids are up later now, but that isn't the station's fault. It is the fault of the parents for not knowing if their kid is participating on a call-in show with risque topics. I'm sorry but parents really need to accept the blame there.

as for the oprah vs. howard, I'd like to see the notes about the fine. Howard doesn't tip toe around anything, it is his gimmick to be outlandish. And perhaps the person he was interviewing was the one who did whatever it was that made the FCC fine Howard. Technically, Howard wasn't fined, it was the Viacom/Infinity Broadcast. Even if it was the guest speaker, it is clearly written in the rules that stations are responsible for their guests and notifying them what they can and can't say, or in this case, how they can say it.
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Yes it was the station tht was fined. I wish we would have had this thread 4 months ago and i could have showed you the transcripts. But, no matter who was fined, him or the station, why is it okay for them to go after his show and not her's because arourding to them she's more beloved?

I agree that it's parents fault what there kids listen to, I was just pointing out that having something on later at night and allowing them more freedom of speach is a joke.
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I'm not a U.S. resident, but I do have an opinion on this.
See....freedom is great, right?

We do not have censorship like that here in Belgium, our media is very free to say what it want's, we just don't allow extremist groups in news or shows. That's all that is forbidden. We can say all the s*** and F*** on tv, without getting our a** sued. And if you do take offense to it, look away, or try to understand why people do use these words. Probably because they are angry, otherwise in a humoristic way. I don't think you should tell people not to curse.....it's a human thing....
Don't take everything so seriously.....laugh once in a while, don't add to the anger by being angry because some says curse words.

And another thing.....I'm still amazed at the fine that the tv-company got for Janet Jacksons nipple-slip. Come on, nude, what is wrong with that? Is that evil? Bad? Don't think so. And again, if you don't like it, laugh at it or look away, radically saying that it is wrong because of reasons only you understand, is just as bad in the eyes of others.

I'm glad I live in my country.....I would nearly dare to say that it is more free then U.S........don't kill me for stating that.
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The problem is Billsgate that I dont want my 6yr old daughter seeing nipples on tv, much less full nudity and cursing.

I am not being a jerk when I ask this but, do you have children? When you have children that watch tv, you might change your tune a little bit so to speak. You can try your best to keep tabs on what your kids watch, but it is near impossible to prevent them from seeing something you dont want them to see.

Oh and I have been to Belgium.....beautiful country, but don't watch tv unless you want to see tons of nudity.
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No, I have to admit, I'm an 18 year old, I don't have children, but I do have a little brother who is 2 years old.
And, this may be completely against your principles, but I don't think his mother, nor his father would have a problem with him seeing nude. I'm not saying that I would think the same way when I have children. Although I do think that it is natural, nothing wrong with nude. Depends on what sort of nude, and depends on how you raise your children. As long as they can fit what they see in a context that is right, and correct to the values that you as a parent aspire.
I would rather have my kid see some people nude then people getting shot. But violence is apparently okey nowadays...
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For the record I am against violence as well.......

PS. if you get caught letting your children watch nudity here, they take your child away and put you behind bars rightly so.
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Wow......didn't know that.....then I completely understand that you don't want your children to watch that!
But still, if your watching a movie with a scene where someone get's out of the shower or something, I wouldn't zap away because my kid is nearby.

But I'm refraining from any further discussion on this thread, it is very tempting, but it would not lead us anywhere I believe. I think each has his/her own morals and values and that's fine with me.
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Ok Billsgate, little confusion here what I was talking about was explicit nudity, not what you were talking about in your last post. Although I would zap it to another channel, I see what you are talking about now...
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Come on, I would never bring up explicit nudity on this family forum!
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Now there is a congressman (from Ohio maybe?) that wants to but regulations on cable and satellite. Now they want to tell me what I am allowed to hear or see even when I pay for it?
He's from Alaska. It basically would allow the government to control what you buy (in this case the ability to watch cable tv shows and listen to satelite radio).

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What exactly was he talking about that apparently Oprah was to?
Just do a google search for oprah transcriptions and howard stern. I'm sure you'll find something. In a nutshell, they were both describing sex acts using the same language. One gets fined, the other doesn't. I listen to Howard Stern knowing full well the type of things I will hear. I play video games knowing full well that I may be aiming a mock gun at another virtual player and pulling a mock trigger.

I don't listen to stern when my kids are in the car. I don't play games depicting violence around my children. I speak to my 5 year old about firearm safety and sexual predators and what to do in those situations. It is a conscious choice for me to keep my firearms under lock and key, watch TV shows with my kids and not leave them unattended around such devices. I make it my business to know what they are doing at all times. I keep them as safe as humanly possible. I make sure there is food to eat, clothes to wear and a warm, safe home...

Wait a minute are we talking about censorship or taking responsibility for your life and the lives of your children? Do you really want the government to be the one deciding what is okay to hear/read/say? Do you really expect them to protect you from freedom of speech?

To give them that right, they will have to take away that freedom.

As far as loud music blasting offensive lyrics; I don't know why people would want to listen to it that loud. I probably did when I was younger, but I ended up liking the ability to hear so I don't do it anymore. As far as I know, the roads are considered a public place. They have as much right to be there as you. I've found that if the music is up way loud, the lyrics are often so distorted that I can't understand them anyways. If you're concerned about them infringing on your right to drive without all that racket going on, just roll up your window. Drive a little faster or slower so that you're not right next to them and get on with your life. Don't you feel there are more important things in life to do than complain about being next to someone who's noisy for a minute or two? Is it really worth making a big stink out of something so temporary?

Now I'm just rambling, so I'll stop at this thought. Actually a quote (or what I remember of it)...

"All democracies are doomed to end in a military state." - Machiavelli, 'The Prince'
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