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well, we can't regulate everything. As much as the US uses "big brother" they can't control it all just yet. Sure younger kids are up later now, but that isn't the station's fault. It is the fault of the parents for not knowing if their kid is participating on a call-in show with risque topics. I'm sorry but parents really need to accept the blame there.

as for the oprah vs. howard, I'd like to see the notes about the fine. Howard doesn't tip toe around anything, it is his gimmick to be outlandish. And perhaps the person he was interviewing was the one who did whatever it was that made the FCC fine Howard. Technically, Howard wasn't fined, it was the Viacom/Infinity Broadcast. Even if it was the guest speaker, it is clearly written in the rules that stations are responsible for their guests and notifying them what they can and can't say, or in this case, how they can say it.
 
Yes it was the station tht was fined. I wish we would have had this thread 4 months ago and i could have showed you the transcripts. But, no matter who was fined, him or the station, why is it okay for them to go after his show and not her's because arourding to them she's more beloved?

I agree that it's parents fault what there kids listen to, I was just pointing out that having something on later at night and allowing them more freedom of speach is a joke.
 
I'm not a U.S. resident, but I do have an opinion on this.
See....freedom is great, right?

We do not have censorship like that here in Belgium, our media is very free to say what it want's, we just don't allow extremist groups in news or shows. That's all that is forbidden. We can say all the s*** and F*** on tv, without getting our a** sued. And if you do take offense to it, look away, or try to understand why people do use these words. Probably because they are angry, otherwise in a humoristic way. I don't think you should tell people not to curse.....it's a human thing....
Don't take everything so seriously.....laugh once in a while, don't add to the anger by being angry because some says curse words.

And another thing.....I'm still amazed at the fine that the tv-company got for Janet Jacksons nipple-slip. Come on, nude, what is wrong with that? Is that evil? Bad? Don't think so. And again, if you don't like it, laugh at it or look away, radically saying that it is wrong because of reasons only you understand, is just as bad in the eyes of others.

I'm glad I live in my country.....I would nearly dare to say that it is more free then U.S........don't kill me for stating that.
 
The problem is Billsgate that I dont want my 6yr old daughter seeing nipples on tv, much less full nudity and cursing.

I am not being a jerk when I ask this but, do you have children? When you have children that watch tv, you might change your tune a little bit so to speak. You can try your best to keep tabs on what your kids watch, but it is near impossible to prevent them from seeing something you dont want them to see. :wink:

Oh and I have been to Belgium.....beautiful country, but don't watch tv unless you want to see tons of nudity.
 
No, I have to admit, I'm an 18 year old, I don't have children, but I do have a little brother who is 2 years old.
And, this may be completely against your principles, but I don't think his mother, nor his father would have a problem with him seeing nude. I'm not saying that I would think the same way when I have children. Although I do think that it is natural, nothing wrong with nude. Depends on what sort of nude, and depends on how you raise your children. As long as they can fit what they see in a context that is right, and correct to the values that you as a parent aspire.
I would rather have my kid see some people nude then people getting shot. But violence is apparently okey nowadays...
 
For the record I am against violence as well.......

PS. if you get caught letting your children watch nudity here, they take your child away and put you behind bars rightly so.
 
Wow......didn't know that.....then I completely understand that you don't want your children to watch that!
But still, if your watching a movie with a scene where someone get's out of the shower or something, I wouldn't zap away because my kid is nearby.

But I'm refraining from any further discussion on this thread, it is very tempting, but it would not lead us anywhere I believe. I think each has his/her own morals and values and that's fine with me.
 
Ok Billsgate, little confusion here what I was talking about was explicit nudity, not what you were talking about in your last post. Although I would zap it to another channel, I see what you are talking about now... :wink:
 
Now there is a congressman (from Ohio maybe?) that wants to but regulations on cable and satellite. Now they want to tell me what I am allowed to hear or see even when I pay for it?
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He's from Alaska. It basically would allow the government to control what you buy (in this case the ability to watch cable tv shows and listen to satelite radio).

What exactly was he talking about that apparently Oprah was to?
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Just do a google search for oprah transcriptions and howard stern. I'm sure you'll find something. In a nutshell, they were both describing sex acts using the same language. One gets fined, the other doesn't. I listen to Howard Stern knowing full well the type of things I will hear. I play video games knowing full well that I may be aiming a mock gun at another virtual player and pulling a mock trigger.

I don't listen to stern when my kids are in the car. I don't play games depicting violence around my children. I speak to my 5 year old about firearm safety and sexual predators and what to do in those situations. It is a conscious choice for me to keep my firearms under lock and key, watch TV shows with my kids and not leave them unattended around such devices. I make it my business to know what they are doing at all times. I keep them as safe as humanly possible. I make sure there is food to eat, clothes to wear and a warm, safe home...

Wait a minute are we talking about censorship or taking responsibility for your life and the lives of your children? Do you really want the government to be the one deciding what is okay to hear/read/say? Do you really expect them to protect you from freedom of speech?

To give them that right, they will have to take away that freedom.

As far as loud music blasting offensive lyrics; I don't know why people would want to listen to it that loud. I probably did when I was younger, but I ended up liking the ability to hear so I don't do it anymore. As far as I know, the roads are considered a public place. They have as much right to be there as you. I've found that if the music is up way loud, the lyrics are often so distorted that I can't understand them anyways. If you're concerned about them infringing on your right to drive without all that racket going on, just roll up your window. Drive a little faster or slower so that you're not right next to them and get on with your life. Don't you feel there are more important things in life to do than complain about being next to someone who's noisy for a minute or two? Is it really worth making a big stink out of something so temporary?

Now I'm just rambling, so I'll stop at this thought. Actually a quote (or what I remember of it)...

"All democracies are doomed to end in a military state." - Machiavelli, 'The Prince'
 
My daughter was one of the children that saw the whole nipple thing. It was the look on HER face that made me look at the tv, just in time to see Janet covering up. I was a bit unhappy that she saw it, but I was not one of the people screaming about how it was so awful. I did not like it, and I wish she had not seen it. I talked to her about it, and she seemed OK.
The US is (as far as I know) the only country that has made the human body such a dirty OBJECT :x

While I DO NOT want my child seeing such things, I still do not feel that such censorship is the answer. We have more then one channel. We have such things as TEVO, and child locks on the TVs, so they can only watch a few stations. People do not use them because its a lot of work to watch what you want. But IMHO its also a lot of work to raise a child. For the people that say they do not have the time to watch EVERYTHING their kids want to watch... either get your priorities straight, or stop letting the kids watch tv by themselves. I do not let my child was Fox Family by herself, and its a family station! One persons idea of appropriate is totaly different from the others.

Monitor what your kids watch, not only the one tv show... but the whole NETWORK. Block the networks that have questionable content... and give them a safe list. If the TV is not equipped with a channel lock... You can get one at Radio Shack. I had one lady tell me they were too much... (Mine was $25.00) I am sorry... but 25 dollars is a small price to pay for peace of mind...

As far as language... I have told my children that an intelligent person can find a superior word to express how they feel without cussing.

I really hope I did not stray off topic too much, I am sorry if I did. I thought about not chiming into this topic, but just could not resist. :roll:

Just my humble opinion...(again)... Billsgate, I am assuming you grew up in Belgium, watching TV no doubt. As far as I can tell by your posts, you seem to be a well adjusted person. I do not know what you do in your free time... but I doubt that you are mentally scarred from the programing on your TV or radio... :wink:

I am now on a rant... and its a big one... I am sorry...
I am going to go do some laundry now :lol:
 
yeh, I did the google search except everything I found was from biased groups. I was looking for the actual transcripts, not a summary, because those can not be skewed one way or the other. I did a quick search on the FCC site as well, but didn't have time to go in detail because I had a class (which was cancelled when I got there...grrr...) to get to.

I did catch that Oprah didn't actually get away so easily as has been stated. Her fine is actually pending, which means there was something different between the two and it is being looked at again.

Billsgate, I stayed in Spain for a little over a month and I see exactly where you are coming from. Europe shows nudity, but it is nothing distasteful. I believe there was an informative ad on breastcancer and there was definitly a nude breast in it. But, the problem with the Janet Jackson slip wasn't that it was a little "peek-a-boo" slip, but very distasteful especially for the even because the superbowl is considered a "family event." What really happened was that Justin Timberlake "ripped" off a piece of the wardrobe (they say it was an accident :roll: ) on Janet Jackson's breast. 1. it can be viewed as derogatory toward women 2. the context of the song lyrics and the manner in which is was done was definitly not in accordence to what should be on a "family event."

*edit* Melody, good post. I really like that you tell your children that there are more intelligent ways of expressing themselves.
 
Billsgate said:
I'm not a U.S. resident, but I do have an opinion on this.
See....freedom is great, right?

We do not have censorship like that here in Belgium, our media is very free to say what it want's, we just don't allow extremist groups in news or shows. That's all that is forbidden. We can say all the s*** and F*** on tv, without getting our a** sued. And if you do take offense to it, look away, or try to understand why people do use these words. Probably because they are angry, otherwise in a humoristic way. I don't think you should tell people not to curse.....it's a human thing....
Don't take everything so seriously.....laugh once in a while, don't add to the anger by being angry because some says curse words.

And another thing.....I'm still amazed at the fine that the tv-company got for Janet Jacksons nipple-slip. Come on, nude, what is wrong with that? Is that evil? Bad? Don't think so. And again, if you don't like it, laugh at it or look away, radically saying that it is wrong because of reasons only you understand, is just as bad in the eyes of others.

I'm glad I live in my country.....I would nearly dare to say that it is more free then U.S........don't kill me for stating that.
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I'm a Libertarian, but I do have my limits. Should I be able to rent a billboard on the highway and display graphic images of hardcore pornography?

The country's moral priorities in snuffing relatively harmless actions like cursing or nudity (or second-hand smoke :lol:) seems pretty ridiculous when compared to some of the actions mentioned in my original post. That said, I generally don't watch shows that rely on cursing or sexuality to achieve ratings. Paradoxically, cursing is an intensifier, but for me it weakens the message. I still believe if "All in the Family" reruns were played in prime time they would beat out most the trash that's on today.

I remember when "Schindler's List" was aired uncut maybe 6-7 years ago. I was particularly interested in people's reactions. I never spoke to one person who was at all moved by the scenes of graphic violence and systematic slaughter of an entire race of people - people were in awe that "boobs" were shown on TV. That tells me that this country's priorities are completely screwed.
 
clown monarch, there is a difference between hardcore pornography and what Billsgate was talking about.

As for Schindler's List, I'm one american that was moved by the movie...perhaps you need to expand your "research."
 
I very rarely listen to Howard Stern, and don't much care for his brand of entertainment. However, I must say that the man is a self-marketing genius. The FCC fines came out of the pockets of his employers, not his own. And the broadcasters probably just wrote them off as the cost of doing business - what did they care so long as Howard was getting good ratings. :? Meanwhile, Stern was going around complaining that he was being crucified by the FCC (despite the fact that the FCC fines were enhancing his bad boy image and increasing his value as a ratings-generating entertainer). Stern's recent agreement with Sirius has more to do with money than avoiding FCC persecution. Sirius offered Stern a sweet deal and he was smart enough to jump at it. Pure self-marketing genius!

Regarding offensive content on TV (and video games), I strongly believe that it is parent's RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY to police what their children watch and play. I also believe that excessive TV/video game time robs children of opportunities to experience their world, expand their interests, and develop. When I was growing up, my family didn't have cable. The TV didn't go on until AFTER dinner and AFTER my homework was done...and I even had a bedtime. Instead of watching TV I *gasp* read books, and *gasp* rode my bike. As a result of my cruel upbringing :wink:, I cannot sit through most TV programs today - I simply find them so mind-numbingly inane.
 
deli_conker said:
"All democracies are doomed to end in a military state." - Machiavelli, 'The Prince'
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Actually, all societies are doomed to end in a military state. It's all a cycle, though I can't remember the societal order. It goes something like:

Anarchy will eventually produce a
Despot will eventually produce an
Aristocracy will eventually produce a
Democracy will eventually produce
Socialism will eventually produce...

I don't think the order is correct, but it's something like that - eventually ending in anarchy and starting again.
 
This "pending" thing for Oprah is something new to me....last word i heard on it was that it wasnt going to happen because of her popularity.
She should get fined if these are the rules they want to play by.

for people who agree with the fines and the censor ship i want to know where the line is and who should decide? The members of the FCC aren't elected they are appointed and not really held accountable for there actions (do a google search on the money they were supposed to use for computers for underprivileged children)
 
rubysoho said:
clown monarch, there is a difference between hardcore pornography and what Billsgate was talking about.

As for Schindler's List, I'm one american that was moved by the movie...perhaps you need to expand your "research."
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Of course there is, but the point is where you draw the line. Is my right of free speech limitless?

I'm not a research facility, I discussed the movie with people at work.
 
I still believe if "All in the Family" reruns were played in prime time they would beat out most the trash that's on today.
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I dont think they would air today on any network except maybe fox in prime time as a new show because of racist remarks made honestly...only reason its on at all now is because its a classic
 
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