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Old 08-05-2004, 01:22 PM   #31
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Our level of technology has far exceeded our level of morals.

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People take measures to prevent it, people take measures to defeat these measures.
Same old story. I remember when my brother bought the emerson boom box that had dual cassette high speed dubbing. The industry's downfall had begun...

I remember having all sorts of cracked games for my commodore 64. There were no best buys and circuit cities where you could buy them at, so you traded with other people that did have them.

P2P has way too many exploits, spy/malware and viruses for my taste. There are better ways...(not that I would know any of them, or more realistically, have time to actually make use of them). I just don't have time to deal with all the crap that comes along with free music, video, programs. I find it more convenient just to buy it instead.

I used to consult at a company where all the members of the IS department brought in cds and a couple guys would rip them and put them up on a snap server. Anybody in the department at any location could hear anything from a selection of about 130Gb of mp3's. There was no file swapping, and the originals were purchased. Is that a bad thing?

The way I see it, people are going to do what they want to do. Remember being underage and wanting cigarettes or beer? It was illegal, but not difficult to pull off. It's the same thing here, if people want something bad enough, they will get it, illegal or not.
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Ahh, you missed my point. I wasn't trying to justify it. I was merely saying WHY I did it. Stealing is stealing. Before the internet, we swapped floppies, before CD, audio cassettes. This is nothing new, though yes, there's probably more people doing it now.

But the plain fact of the matter is, I don't care. I honestly don't. If my options are "Pay electrical bill" or "Get CD by a band I really like", I'm paying the electrical bill and downloading the cd, too bad for the RIAA, maybe I'll buy it next paycheck. If the cost of a cd was still around $10-12 like it was years ago, I'd snap them up. But then that was also back when I had an allowance instead of a job, and no bills to pay.

I steal. I will continue to steal. I am not taking money out of the hands of the artist, because they would not have had my money anyways: I have none to give them, most months.

Its not "moral". Its not "legal". But I don't care because the RIAA has created itself a PR nightmare. I buy when I can, and when I can't I turn to the internet. Music is a form of art and entertainment, and makes my life more enjoyable. Just because the RIAA wants to live in a $50,000,000 mansion doesn't mean I'm gonna pay $18 for every record I want to hear.

Call me criminal :P
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you bring up a good point - their big cry for lawsuits was because they were losing profits and blamed the p2p sharing of music for it.

I know many people who are not contributing to their loss of profit because all the songs they download would not have been bought in the first place. If the technology wasnt there to DL them, they would probably just listen to the radio (which I do now anyway) and the money never would have been in their pocket to begin with.
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HEh.. for some reason this thread is making me want to go dig up my DVD of Antitrust Yay for open source! Power to the people!
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HEh.. for some reason this thread is making me want to go dig up my DVD of Antitrust :lol: Yay for open source! Power to the people!
rofl, that movie was absolutely horrible ;P In a hilariously horrible way ;p
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you bring up a good point - their big cry for lawsuits was because they were losing profits and blamed the p2p sharing of music for it.

Well, it looks like to me that the man to blame is Al Gore, everyone knows "he invented the internet". LMAO.

While we are at it, lets blame Phillips Electronics for making the VCR, Compact Disc, and of coarse the ever popular DVD. I really don't know if they invented all these items, but you can bet your butt they probably has some input on it. Maybe the RIAA should push for legislation to "ban" all types of recording media except vinyl, I never could make another copy on vinyl....LOL
Good ole records...they should have stopped while they were ahead.

Direct TV has used the same tactics to coerce money from people. They sue you, and knowing that you have to pay big bucks for a lawyer, will "offer" you a settlement out of court. It looks good. About the same as you would spend on the lawyer, so they get their money and you get away free, just a little short of cash. Sad thing is, they have sued people who don't steal their signal, but own a device that is capable of stealing the signal, so right away they are guilty in the eyes of Direct TV and they get sued. Courts are now (finally) realizing this and throwing many of these cases out for lack of proof on the Direct TV's part. So whats to come of this?.....Will we get sued because we own a CD Burner, A DVD Burner, a VCR, a BetaMax (forget that one)......you can easily copy anything with any of those devices. Ah the good ole days when life was simple....

I know this is not the same as the RIAA thing that is going on, but they borrowed a page from Direct TV on the lawsuit stuff. Do a search on the internet for court cases about media theft or the RIAA, you would be surprised to find that they have also lost alot of cases when the people decided to fight. These same people have turned around and sued them on a number of counts and have recieved settlements from them. They wouldn't want you to know that though. The media doesn't report that, just the folks that got busted and paid. (You would think that maybe I don't like the media or something?)....LOL
They have created a technological monster. Everytime they cut off a head, two grows back. They will never stop what is going on. At one point they need to realize that they need to stop the bleeding. Instead of pouring money into take 13 year old girls to court and asking for thousands of dollars in retribution, they should take that money to develope ways to "make" money from the monster that they created. Buying $.99 cent songs is a start.

Stepping down from the soap box now...next!

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Here’s an idea that will make everyone happy all around: You want a CD collection but don’t have the money? Remember Columbia House and BMG—the old snail-mail order catalogs? They’re still around! They even have web sites http://www.columbiahouse.com/sa/ch/homepage.jsp and http://www.bmg.com/ You can get awesome deals, including 12 initial free CDs (the shipping’s like $2.50 a CD, but still cheaper than $20). They also have DVD clubs.

Jeez why did that sound like a commercial?

Well, I got to go, MY FISH STUFF HAS ARRIVED!!!!!!!!!
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Well, I got to go, MY FISH STUFF HAS ARRIVED!!!!!!!!!
Another good point. Money must be spent wisely. I'd rather spend it on fish stuff. ;) Fish stuff is MUCH harder to steal :)
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...of course, its legal up here....

So was decrypting of Direct TV signals until about a year ago. That is another subject where people have been sued.
Here our supreme court already overturned such lawsuits, so its pretty much open season. I know very few peple that DL anything more than the very occasional song anyways...I have never borthered myself, as I have no real desire/need to, and don't trust the software and systems used to do so anyways....I like being virus and spyware free.
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