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Old 08-31-2015, 08:35 PM   #11
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The care sheet left around for people to see is a great idea(the seed is planted regardless!).
Iwish we could all be Andy with his resolution /reasoning skills.
I would not say I told you so ever( I hope), but would have no problem explaining the difference in my success and their failure.
If you feel you are losing it just let go as those who fail either give up or do eventually seek help!
You can lead a keeper to water but you can't make them change it!
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I have a life long friend that has a betta in a bowl with a rock in the middle of the bowl, so all the betta can do is swim around in a circle, on top of that they smoke weed in the house with an open top on the bowl, I choose not to say anything to him, because I've known him for 17 years and he's smarter than that. Maybe just lazy... that's also a big issue is laziness.

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I have a life long friend that has a betta in a bowl with a rock in the middle of the bowl, so all the betta can do is swim around in a circle, on top of that they smoke weed in the house with an open top on the bowl, I choose not to say anything to him, because I've known him for 17 years and he's smarter than that. Maybe just lazy... that's also a big issue is laziness.

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I've had plenty look at me like I'm crazy when I say weekly water changes. They think of it like a chore and they only have like a 10g tank. Seriously, it takes max 20 minutes for a tank that size out of your entire week. Let's think about that


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I've had plenty look at me like I'm crazy when I say weekly water changes. They think of it like a chore and they only have like a 10g tank. Seriously, it takes max 20 minutes for a tank that size out of your entire week. Let's think about that


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Old 08-31-2015, 11:43 PM   #15
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Yeah, but I don't want to help her if she's not willing to listen. If it was something serious I'd help for the fishes sake. Not hers. Also our conversation ended on a bad note. So I'm letting it settle for now.

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My late Mother used to always tell me " It's not what you say but how you say it." I rejected that for quite a while until I realized she was right. Here's an example: " Gimme that!!!!" versus " Can I please have that." Which one do you think works better?
No, not everyone is going to listen but how YOU come across can have a big determination in the outcome.
I've been keeping fish as a hobby for now 50 years. I was in the fish business for over 40 of those years. I've probably seen or bred more Bettas in that time than most people here on this site will ever see or own. I KNOW Bettas in a jar is not WRONG. What it is is harder to maintain. But if someone is willing to take the time to do the work, who are you or I to say they are wrong for keeping them that way? I've been attacked on many Betta threads on here for my position on Bettas in jars but I understand where it is coming from. However, I know the difference between facts and opinions. If it's their opinion, that's fine and they are free to express it but when they say "HAS TO HAVE" or "MUST BE IN", that's no longer the facts and it's just a regurgitated telling of the biased opinion (FYI: The only thing thing a Betta MUST have is water. ) But just because you or someone else doesn't think it's right, doesn't make it wrong. If I can find the book ( The handbook of tropical fish), there is a picture of a Betta breeder' place in Tampa FL. ( The breeder's name was Tutweiler {may be misspelled}) It's along row shot of all the 1 gal jars he used to raise his bettas in. It's an amazing shot even in black & white. I've seen the hatcheries in Asia of my Betta suppliers and they all use jars to raise their Bettas. If this was so wrong, how come the fish came out so right? If you don't think so, there's a good chance that some of the fish today have a genetic lineage to the fish I kept back in the 1960s and there is no doubt that all the domesticated Betta splendens can be linked back to the fish that were collected over 300 years ago ( and kept in small containers.) But, is it worth the argument? I think NO. As I said in my previous post , this is one of the most fought over and misunderstood fishes in the hobby .

In your case, I may have said "That way has been tried and failed more than it succeeded while this way has a better track record of success." ( Not what you say but how you say it. ) The worst that would have happened would be nothing different but at least you offered the facts.
( And there are some people who will live and die only by the following quotation: "Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up." Not much you can for those people. )

To me, and this is just my opinion, any conversation about fish keeping that ends in an argument or spat, is nothing more than a lack of communication between the parties. Maybe that can still be fixed.


That's my rant about your rant. Hope it helps
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The care sheet left around for people to see is a great idea(the seed is planted regardless!).
Iwish we could all be Andy with his resolution /reasoning skills.
I would not say I told you so ever( I hope), but would have no problem explaining the difference in my success and their failure.
If you feel you are losing it just let go as those who fail either give up or do eventually seek help!
You can lead a keeper to water but you can't make them change it!
I'm a jerk and I tell people "I told you so". LOL Can't help myself at times. Sometimes if I'm feeling nicer I say, "I tried to tell you that wasn't going to turn out well". All the breeders with the IBC jar their males. My membership has lapsed but I've seen pictures. Whatever your opinion on how much space a betta needs, its still a step up from the little cups they are sold in, which are usually very dirty and the fish aren't well cared for.
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PS. Listen to Andy, he is the jedi master of bettas.
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Here is ignorance at its best.....https://youtu.be/3UQ7exU884A

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some person on a local forum for my area fed some kind of big fish with teeth a rat. Not sure of it was Piranha or what. People fish with mice that wear life jackets too.
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It's not even healthy for the fish, who knows what kind of disease or parasites the fish can get from that, I'm sure in the wild this happens but deliberately doing it is another thing.

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