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dapellegrini said:
Does the probe just up and die some day, or simply degrade in quality of time?

It will slowly degrade. The most possible scenario in lab is that readings become erratic and/or oscillating. However IMHO in the case of electrode that is continuously in the solution of almost constant pH, temperature and composition (as in aquarium) degradation may result in slow drift in any direction - thus you will not know the results are wrong till you check pH with some other electrode.
 
Mr.pH said:
dapellegrini said:
Does the probe just up and die some day, or simply degrade in quality of time?

It will slowly degrade. The most possible scenario in lab is that readings become erratic and/or oscillating. However IMHO in the case of electrode that is continuously in the solution of almost constant pH, temperature and composition (as in aquarium) degradation may result in slow drift in any direction - thus you will not know the results are wrong till you check pH with some other electrode.

which brings up another question, how often should you buffer it? At work we have to buffer our probes daily.
 
By buffer do you mean calibrate? The instructions recommend monthly, but I have heard you can go longer. I have calibrated mine once.
 
In general lab practice calibration (http://www.ph-meter.info/pH-electrode-calibration) should be performed before every set of measurements, or at the beginning of every workday. However, in the case of aquarium, when the electrode is measuring pH continuously, it can be done much less often.

Note, that it will depend on the electrode make, thus it is difficult to give general, bulletproof advice. If you have seen suggestions to calibrate electrode once per month start this way, just keep track of the results - write down pH indicated by the electrode every time it is taken out from the tank and put into pH 7.00 buffer. This difference will be probably greater with time - at some point you should decide to repeat calibration procedure more often.

When the electrode is completely new, calibrate it more often - say daily in the first week, then every week in the first month. That will give you good point of reference, you may treat these first results as "ideal" electrode, thus later you will be able to say whether electrode deteriorates just comparing initial indications of the electrode put into buffer with these of the fresh electrode in the same situation. It will also help to identify faulty electrode (rare case, as they are factory tested, nonetheless it may happen).

Remember to calibrate the electrode always in the same temperature water in the tank have. The less variables changing the better.
 
How bad is AgCl for the fish? assuming that is what is being used in the probe.

EDIT: NVM, its a uses a gel, so I guess that's not that big of a deal then.
 
rkilling1 said:
How bad is AgCl for the fish? assuming that is what is being used in the probe.

First of all - AgCl is very weakly soluble, so even if you will put some directly in the tank, amount of silver freed will be below toxicity levels (especially in the case of salt water aquarium, so called common ion effect prevents silver chloride dissolution). Copper which is especially toxic for aquatic organisms is dangerous in the concentrations several orders of magnitude higher.

But that was for very unlikely situation of excess silver chloride added to the tank. What is the situation with pH electrode? See the pictures at http://www.ph-meter.info/pH-electrode-construction. In the combination electrode there are two AgCl covered wires. One is completely internal, so its presence doesn't matter. Second is in contact with the aquarium water, but the contact is made through junction - which is some kind of porous membrane. Amount of internal solution that can leak - especially in the case of gelled eletrodes (check menu on the left to see how they are built) - is minimal (in fact electrodes are built in such a way that this leak is minimal, trick is it is necessary to maintain contact through the solution). Once again, if my estimations are OK we are talking about pg (picograms) of silver that can get into aquarium from the electrode. Sea water contains micrograms of silver per L (some bug on the page - it should be micro, not M) which is pg/mL.

Don't bother :)
 
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