dry fert explanation

[blizowman1]

I know all of that, but I'm trying to figure out is how much of each fert am I supposed to put in the bottles.

And the macromicro mix I bought from aquariumfertilizer.com consists of

Plantex CSM+B
Potassium nitrate
Potassium sulfate
Magnesium sulfate


So the results I have of
Phosphates= .25ppm
Gh/Kh= 5/5

Is from me dosing the macromicro mix daily

I haven't been dosing any phosphates into my tank but I have been dosing magnesium sulfate

I also run co2 and do a 50% wc weekly
My drop checker is coming in the mail

 

[Rivercats]

Okay this is the PPS-Pro recipe using the ferts you have but they do need to be mixed in two bottles not one...

Macro Solution

In 1 liter bottle:
59 grams K2SO4 (Potassium Sulfate)
65 grams KNO3 (Potassium Nitrate)
6 grams KH2PO4 (Mono Potassium Phosphate)
41 grams MgSO4 (Magnesium Sulfate)
Fill with distilled water and shake well. Let sit overnight.

Micro Solution

In 1 liter bottle:
80 grams of CSM+B
Fill with distilled water and shake well. Let sit overnight

If all you have are 250ml bottles then you have to quartar this formula.

 

[blizowman1]

So would that be about the same as if I was to just keep using the mix or will it cause different levels in my tank? And pps-pro is daily?
Have you read anything about this pmdd routine?

 

[aqua_chem]

Were the ferts you bought premixed? Do you know the ratio?

The logic of PMDD was that by limiting the phosphate levels in a planted tank, you could control algae growth because plants would uptake all the phosphates needed by algae to grow. This ultimately was observed to be flawed, as insufficient phosphate can not only harm plants but promotes GSA, a type of algae that thrives in low phosphate environments. PPS and EI were the next steps in the evolution of fertilizer dosing after the PMDD was found to be flawed, with both strategies addressing those flaws in different ways. PPS is essentially the adaptation of PMDD to include sufficient phosphate, whereas EI was more of the 'nuclear option' cure for the problems of PMDD.

 

[blizowman1]

My mix came as a lb bag of dry ferts with 4 equal parts of
Potassium nitrate
Potassium sulfate
Magnesium sulfate
Plantex CSM+b


The instructions on the bag that I use are 1/8 of a cup to every 250ml of water and dose 5ml to every 50g

I've been using this for several months now and is really good for my plants and has reduced my algae in my tank

 

[Rivercats]

So would that be about the same as if I was to just keep using the mix or will it cause different levels in my tank? And pps-pro is daily?
Have you read anything about this pmdd routine?

PPS-Pro is dosed daily and I know nothing about pmdd as I never used that system.

 

[blizowman1]

So if I was to follow the pps-pro river cats gave me and do my 50% wc weekly then it would probably be about te same as what I'm doing huh? And then just test my water every week before wc and adjust my grams of each fert according

 

[phishfriend]

It sounds like you are doing pps and just explaining it differently then rivercats. She is using a liter bottle and your using a quarter liter bottle. Just change the dosing bottle to a liter or half liter. Add fertz according to pps system
And carry on. I use a 500ml or half liter and just cut fertz in half in the premix. I think your over complicating it.

 

[blizowman1]

So you use the exact recipe river cats threw up there you haven't had to adjust anything?

And AQUACHEM and RIVERCATS what styles do you use to dose

 

[phishfriend]

So you use the exact recipe river cats threw up there you haven't had to adjust anything?

Yes at this point I haven't adjusted anything. I may need to up my nitrates but I won't
Till mon at the earliest

 

[blizowman1]

How long have you been following this routine

And is it still 5ml per 50g while following that pps-pro routine??

 

[phishfriend]

And is it still 5ml per 50g while following that pps-pro routine??

I just started in the last week and yes it's the same dosage.

 

[aqua_chem]

I used EI, but I will be experimenting with PPS in my new setups.

Also, you might run into issues if you have a preset ratio of 1:1:1:1 for all your ferts, although I find it hard to believe that anyone would mix them like that. Where did you say you got the salts from?

 

[blizowman1]

I got them from aquariumfertilizer.com

http://aquariumfertilizer.com/index...rnEdit=2&Returnitemname=&ReturnShowItemStart=

And I put 6tsp in a 250ml solution

How different is the EI from the pps-pro?
You dose EI so maybe you can give me what I need to know to dose that way

 

[Rivercats]

I use PPS-Pro using all but the magnesium in the amounts I listed. BUT you have an all in one mix except it has no phosphates. So keep using your mix as you've been BUT you need to mix phosphates up in a different dosing bottle and dose them daily 1ml per 10g the same as you dose the all in one mix. I don't know how I can explain this any simplier. Stop trying to figure out how to dose phosphates up to a certain level. Mix and dose them at the rate listed for a couple weeks and see where your phosphate level is. If it's still lower than you want it simply add more phosphate from the bottle daily and see where your levels are at.

 

[phishfriend]

http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/forumapc/pps-analysis-feedback/39491-newbie-guide-pps-pro.html

This will explain pps-pro

 

[Rivercats]

Newbie Guide to PPS-Pro - PPS Analysis and Feedback - Aquatic Plant Central

This will explain pps-pro

Phish the problem is he bought and is using an all in one micro/macro mix and is dosing PMDD (Poor Man’s Dosing Drops) that has no phosphate in it. Therefore he needs to mix the phosphate in another seperate dosing bottle and dose it daily at 1ml per 10g. He's getting good results using the mix he has but wants to increase his phosphate. So all that is required it mixing and dosing the phosphate. This is what is the main issue here.

 

[phishfriend]

Phish the problem is he bought and is using an all in one micro/macro mix and is dosing PMDD (Poor Man’s Dosing Drops) that has no phosphate in it. Therefore he needs to mix the phosphate in another seperate dosing bottle and dose it daily at 1ml per 10g. He's getting good results using the mix he has but wants to increase his phosphate. So all that is required it mixing and dosing the phosphate. This is what is the main issue here.

Gotya! Just thought it might help.

 

[blizowman1]

Yea see RIVERCATS I bought the mix but I also bought individuals of everthing else incase I wanna start dosing different ways so in all I have six seperate lbs of ferts and only one of those lbs is the mix that's why i was trying to figure out the other mixtures in case I wanna move away from using the mix and dose a little stricter

 

[Rivercats]

Yea see RIVERCATS I bought the mix but I also bought individuals of everthing else incase I wanna start dosing different ways so in all I have six seperate lbs of ferts and only one of those lbs is the mix that's why i was trying to figure out the other mixtures in case I wanna move away from using the mix and dose a little stricter

You didn't say that before, that you had both mixes! This would have been much simpler had you stated that fact in the beginning since you kept asking about phosphate. In that case you can do the mix your using with phosphate seperate or dose PPS-Pro or dose El. I use PPS-Pro which is the link Phish posted again. That article has the amounts needed to mix micro and macro mixes in two seperate bottles. That is also the mix that I said you don't need to add magnesium into the macro mix if you have hard water with a GH over 4. Then you dose them 1ml per 10g daily. I can't help you with El as I don't dose it and never have.