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Kelly5978

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Hello! I'm very excited to join this forum and deal with other (more knowledgeable and experienced) people who love their fish as much as I do. If you read my info, you will see I made many mistakes in starting my fish "keeping". I am now doing a fish in cycle with stability and prime in my 20 gal, and 10 gal tanks. I wanted to introduce myself, but also have questions. If posting them here is incorrect, please just let me know. I only have my phone to navigate, but with your help, I will figure out how to properly participate. My questions are:20 gal-
I have 2 angels (my fav) and 2 neon danios. The black angel had a little nip in his tail the first day, but I saw no problems, so I did nothing. Now, there is a "little tear" also in his tail, and my yellow angels bottom "point" fin looks limp and as if it may fall off. The tank is almost finished cycling, and I was advised to use NOTHING but prime and stability until the cycle completed. However, the ph is 8.2, and I'm worried the angels tails have fin rot. If so, what do I use to cure them? Another initial mistake I made was Shari g a net for all tanks, so there may be a problem in them all. Please leg me know if you think this is just nipping, or worse.
10 gal-
I have 2 gouramis, 1 dwarf, and 2 black skirt tetras. I'm having trouble getting the tank over the nitrites. Recently, I noticed the gouramis (only) had a white outline on the bottom (under-belly) fins. Again, I thought maybe it was just coloring, so I waited. Now, the blue gourami's tail is damaged. My individual research indicated it could be because of the ph or hardness of water, or the nitrites causing the white outline. But with the tail issue, I'm really thinking fin rot throughout.
I am buying driftwood and spring water to help the ph, and I understand I picked "nippy" breeds of fish. Could you please tell me if you think they have fin rot? And if so, Is there any way to help them without using chemicals that will mess up the cycle or require removal of the carbon filter?
The last 2 pics are of my beautiful tanks. Again, if I was supposed to post questions somewhere else, I apologize and will go wherever you ask me too. I very much look forward to participating in this forum. Thank you!
 

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Hi and welcome to AA! Since you have some specific questions on potentially ill fish I'm going to move your thread to the Unhealthy fish section.
 
Thanks so much. Sorry for that. I think I get it now. Thanks for moving my questions! CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME WITH THEM? Im afraid to put more chemicals in my tank.....but if I need to, if like to know what to use. I bought a new wood with holes so if the angels tail is just nipped, hopefully he'll be able to hide better and used spring RO water to top the tank off (with stress coat conditioner of course), hoping it helps the ph.
As for the 10 gallon, it's quite cloudy, (but I heard it could be due to the nitrite phase I'm finishing in the cycle. I'm pretty sure the gourami tail IS just nipped, as it looks better today .....a little.....and the yellow gourami IS chasing everyone. I moved some things around, as I think her behavior was territorial. Hoping it helps. Any suggestions are welcome. I'm calling to check on the tank lights today.
Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Thanks so much. Sorry for that. I think I get it now. Thanks for moving my questions! CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME WITH THEM? Im afraid to put more chemicals in my tank.....but if I need to, if like to know what to use. I bought a new wood with holes so if the angels tail is just nipped, hopefully he'll be able to hide better and used spring RO water to top the tank off (with stress coat conditioner of course), hoping it helps the ph.
As for the 10 gallon, it's quite cloudy, (but I heard it could be due to the nitrite phase I'm finishing in the cycle. I'm pretty sure the gourami tail IS just nipped, as it looks better today .....a little.....and the yellow gourami IS chasing everyone. I moved some things around, as I think her behavior was territorial. Hoping it helps. Any suggestions are welcome. I'm calling to check on the tank lights today.
Thanks in advance for your help.

The ph at 8.2 is pretty high. U want it around 6-7. U can get some medications at ur local pet store. I forgot what the med was called for ph. As for the angelfish, he might have fin rot. Do more frequent water changes ( 2 times a week- 30% water) and feed them less often.
 
What kind of gouramis do u have?

Males will fight for dominance or just to bully each other. Gouramis r normally a bit nippy at each other.
 
10 gallon- I have 1 gold gourami -female, and 1 blue male. (Also a powder blue dwarf that I have no idea what it is). I think I figured out the issue. The female claimed the heavily planted area as her territory, and was picking on the slightly smaller blue (and dwarf) if they came anywhere near. Funny thing, she didn't care if the tetras swam over. Anyways, I moved 2 plants around, and they seemed to calm down.
20 gal- the angels look slightly better today. I'm watching carefully. And praying that the tank finishes cycling before I have to treat...if in fact it's tail rot. Will it mess up my cycle if I do have to treat? The angels are swimming together again. I couldn't find any driftwood to lower ph, but I topped off the tank with RO water, and will mix with tap water from now on for water changes. I'm really hoping not to use a ph "fix" tab, because I've been told that a high ph is better than a fluctuating one. What do u folks think?
I appreciate your responses, and am open to any suggestions!
Thx- kelly
 
I'm not trying to be mean and I know this isn't what you asked but if you plan on keeping your angels and gouramis you need to get a much bigger tank a 10 or 20 gallon isn't the appropriate size for those fish.
 
Well, okay, I already upgraded once. As I said before....I've been listening to too many people. What is the correct size for what? I was told 1 gallon per inch of the largest size a fish could become. The gouramis had 3" as their max size. I have 2 (6 gallons). Tetras said 1" (2 more gallons) which is 8 gallons total in a 10 gallon. The angels max size 6" (for their type). The 2 danios are full grown at 1/2" a piece. That would be 13" in 20 gallons. Please don't think I'm being smart, I'm proving how wrongly informed I've been. Please let me know so I can try to correct. (My mother-in-law has kept fish for years. She has 2 veiled angels....that get bigger then mine....3 danios, 2 clown loaches and a silver dollar in a 29 gallon). I NEED expert opinions as I want my fish happy! I started this with just the 10 gallon (never warned how difficult they are) and overcrowded it. The danios and a black neon tetra were in there too. I bought the 20 gal cause I WANTED angels. But also to relieve the 10 gal. I know that was probably a very confusing paragraph. Sorry. Bottom line, what is the correct way to measure? Thank you!
 
10 gallon- I have 1 gold gourami -female, and 1 blue male. (Also a powder blue dwarf that I have no idea what it is). I think I figured out the issue. The female claimed the heavily planted area as her territory, and was picking on the slightly smaller blue (and dwarf) if they came anywhere near. Funny thing, she didn't care if the tetras swam over. Anyways, I moved 2 plants around, and they seemed to calm down.
20 gal- the angels look slightly better today. I'm watching carefully. And praying that the tank finishes cycling before I have to treat...if in fact it's tail rot. Will it mess up my cycle if I do have to treat? The angels are swimming together again. I couldn't find any driftwood to lower ph, but I topped off the tank with RO water, and will mix with tap water from now on for water changes. I'm really hoping not to use a ph "fix" tab, because I've been told that a high ph is better than a fluctuating one. What do u folks think?
I appreciate your responses, and am open to any suggestions!
Thx- kelly

If it is tail rot, it would be best to move it to a quarantine tank. Tail rot is contagious and can spread. After putting the fish in quarantine, then add meds.
 
Thanks for telling me. I have 1 blue, 1 gold. And 1 dwarf. I will research them. Honestly, my "baby", the sweet gold gourami is NOT defending her territory. Her eyes (and where her fins meet her body) are blood red. She may have bacterial hemorrhagic septicemia. Does anyone know a treatment that won't hurt her, or the cycle? I did have ammonia probs with this rank, but it's been low to zero for weeks. I thought I was about done with the nitrites phase, but now I may have to treat the tank. Is it contagious? I'll take her out and put in separate tank once I'm SURE that's what it is. I hate chemicals, but I'll do what I have to. Anyone have a recommendation?
 
Thanks for telling me. I have 1 blue, 1 gold. And 1 dwarf. I will research them. Honestly, my "baby", the sweet gold gourami is NOT defending her territory. Her eyes (and where her fins meet her body) are blood red. She may have bacterial hemorrhagic septicemia. Does anyone know a treatment that won't hurt her, or the cycle? I did have ammonia probs with this rank, but it's been low to zero for weeks. I thought I was about done with the nitrites phase, but now I may have to treat the tank. Is it contagious? I'll take her out and put in separate tank once I'm SURE that's what it is. I hate chemicals, but I'll do what I have to. Anyone have a recommendation?

Not sure what "bacterial hemorrhagic septicemia" is. Sorry I don't knw how to cure it. :(
U dont have any large gouramis. The large ones r pink kissing, opaline, pearl, giant, etc.
Dwarf, gold, and blue ones aren't large ones.
 
FishCr8zy said:
Not sure what "bacterial hemorrhagic septicemia" is. Sorry I don't knw how to cure it. :(
U dont have any large gouramis. The large ones r pink kissing, opaline, pearl, giant, etc.
Dwarf, gold, and blue ones aren't large ones.

Blood poisoning leading to internal bleeding, caused by bacteria. If this is the case you will need to treat with antibiotics but I am unsure of which one you should use. I would recommend moving the affected fish to a hospital tank to treat. This will help save your cycle since antibiotics will kill your good bacteria, and treating a smaller tank will save you money on meds.
 
Hi Kelly, I myself am still in research phase in this hobby so can't be of much help, but you'll get some great help from the experts on this forum. Just wanted to welcome you and wish you best of luck with your fish. Hang in there. I know first hand what's like trying to sift through masses of conflicting info and wanting to do what's best for your fish. Take care:)
 
Blood poisoning leading to internal bleeding, caused by bacteria. If this is the case you will need to treat with antibiotics but I am unsure of which one you should use. I would recommend moving the affected fish to a hospital tank to treat. This will help save your cycle since antibiotics will kill your good bacteria, and treating a smaller tank will save you money on meds.

Yes move the sick fish to a quarantine tank and put the meds in there. Killing good bacteria in the normal tank will cause the water to get dirty.
 
Okay. Thank you all. She's in a separate tank. Treating with macaryn 2. I will keep you updated!
 
Well, day 3 of 5 day treatment, and she's swimming horizontally again! Her eyes are still red, but I'm thinking maybe they always were. And the look of bleeding where her side fins meet her body are much less red. Crossing fingers! Will update after treatment ends! If I have another question, do I just keep replying? Or do I start a new thread/post?
 
Well, day 3 of 5 day treatment, and she's swimming horizontally again! Her eyes are still red, but I'm thinking maybe they always were. And the look of bleeding where her side fins meet her body are much less red. Crossing fingers! Will update after treatment ends! If I have another question, do I just keep replying? Or do I start a new thread/post?

U can keep replying or start a new one. I recommend keep replying.
Fingers crossed. :)
 
Well, okay, I already upgraded once. As I said before....I've been listening to too many people. What is the correct size for what? I was told 1 gallon per inch of the largest size a fish could become. The gouramis had 3" as their max size. I have 2 (6 gallons). Tetras said 1" (2 more gallons) which is 8 gallons total in a 10 gallon. The angels max size 6" (for their type). The 2 danios are full grown at 1/2" a piece. That would be 13" in 20 gallons. Please don't think I'm being smart, I'm proving how wrongly informed I've been. Please let me know so I can try to correct. (My mother-in-law has kept fish for years. She has 2 veiled angels....that get bigger then mine....3 danios, 2 clown loaches and a silver dollar in a 29 gallon). I NEED expert opinions as I want my fish happy! I started this with just the 10 gallon (never warned how difficult they are) and overcrowded it. The danios and a black neon tetra were in there too. I bought the 20 gal cause I WANTED angels. But also to relieve the 10 gal. I know that was probably a very confusing paragraph. Sorry. Bottom line, what is the correct way to measure? Thank you!

1 inch per gallon is an old standard that gets repeated a lot and is a good starting point and works well for most small fish but for fish 3 inch and above or odd shapes it does not work as well http://www.aqadvisor.com/. Is good but i would not go over anything 75-80% it estimates are biased on never over feeding or missing a water change
 
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