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with the rays, the 12" is just the diamater of the disc, the tail is probably another 12". I was looking into getting one and decided not to because i couldn't provide the space needed for a full grown adult. not to mention they're illeagal here in californina
hahah that's BIG PERM from the movie 'Friday' hahah
yeah i thought it was cool too, so i cropped it and made it an avatar!
Oh well...still undecided about the tank....but most likely will move to saltwater...i'm thinking about 1 dwarf lionfish and 1 spiny puffer...those should be ok together i reckon..