If you’ve seen some of my other posts, you know I have been dealing with water issues from the beginning. My problems continue but I’m making process and this is the latest. I hope there is someone experienced in using RO water in freshwater aquariums that can offer their support and advice.
To quickly summarize, my well water is very hard (23 GH, 20 KH) and our house supply of water is run through a softener. The pH of the well water seemed fine even after sitting out (~7.6). But the pH of my tank was increasing significantly in just a day or two after water changes and has gotten as high as 8.5. Originally I thought it was the result of ammonia dosing during my fishless cycle and wasn’t worried because everyone says when asked “stability is much more important than actual pH”. I purchased an RO to cut my well water (before softener) 1:1 and started doing water changes with mixed water. However, my pH was still climbing even after ammonia dosing ended. I purchased fish from my lfs on 3/8 and they advised me against purchasing a couple of things I wanted because of my pH. So I added a filter bag of peat granules to my tank and managed to maintain a pH of 8.2 for a couple of days and now 3 days later I’ve dropped a point in GH and my pH has dropped to 8.0. In the meantime, I have been running an experiment to determine what is causing the pH increase. I thought it might be the Flora-Max/Eco-Complete substrate mixture in my tank after researching and seeing other’s posts on the subject. So I set up a controlled test to determine if that was what was happening in my case. At the same time, I also did a test of the 1:1 water mixer with a bubbler added, something I hadn’t done before. Previously, I had only let the water sit in a bucket over several days with no agitation. A picture of my pH results from this morning is attached. The Flora-Max/Eco-Complete does increase the pH of control RO water. I saw the biggest change with fresh material straight out of the bag compared to the older material from my tank. This does make sense as there are no buffers in the 100% RO water. So if you are going to use this substrate with very soft water, I would be cautious. However, there was no significant difference between the control 1:1 water with and without the substrates. AND the control water pH increased over time with no agitation and nothing else added!! AND the pH of the 1:1 water with the bubbler agitation was even higher with a pH of 8.4. So I feel like I know what going on now, which is a huge relief! (What do you know; it all comes down to the H2O out of my well again!) So I feel like I have two options, 1. I can continue with the 1:1 water but I’ll need to premix and pre-agitated it prior to use for water changes to minimize the pH swings for my fish. I’ll also have to continue the peat additions which is not exact and is a slow process. This also means my tank pH may stabilize around 8 which is not bad but does limit my fish options. Option 2. I can run 100% RO water with additives to create exactly what I need. The cons are I will have to make more RO water and use chemical additives. The pros, I should be able to maintain a lower stable pH which increases my fish options. I think the time involved, water storage space and power usage are all about the same for either option and make them a wash. I’m leaning towards option 2 at the moment. I’m thinking I can minimize pH swings and stress on my fish by gradually shifting to 100% RO water by making all my PWC with 100% RO water slowing over several weeks. I’m thinking of 25-30% PWC weekly until I get to a stable lower pH.
So I’m wondering if there are other drawbacks to the RO water that I don’t know about? I have created a formula where I’m adding Seachem Alkaline and Acid Buffers, Replenish (but I’ve ordered some Equilibrium and will be switching to that), Prime, Phosphorus and Flourish Excel. Anything else I need to consider? Also, I made up about 3 gallons of this combination this morning and added it to a bucket with a bubbler to monitor it over a few days to see if in fact the 100% RO water pH remains stable with agitation. My final formula before agitation gave me a pH of 6.8-7.0, KH of 8, GH of 9, phosphate of 0.25-0.5. I hope you’ll share you RO water expertise and any thoughts you might have. Thank you.
Here are my test samples from left to right:
#1 - New Eco-Complete with 1:1 RO:Hard Well Water
#2 - New Eco-Complete with 100% RO Water
#3 - Flora-Max Substrate Mix from my tank with 1:1 RO:Hard Well Water
#4 - Flora-Max Substrate Mix from my tank with 100% RO Water
#5 - Control 1:1 RO:Hard Well Water (no substrate)
#6 - Control 100% RO Water (no substrate)
2nd from right - 84 hours 1:1 RO:Well with bubbler
last on right - tank pH today
To quickly summarize, my well water is very hard (23 GH, 20 KH) and our house supply of water is run through a softener. The pH of the well water seemed fine even after sitting out (~7.6). But the pH of my tank was increasing significantly in just a day or two after water changes and has gotten as high as 8.5. Originally I thought it was the result of ammonia dosing during my fishless cycle and wasn’t worried because everyone says when asked “stability is much more important than actual pH”. I purchased an RO to cut my well water (before softener) 1:1 and started doing water changes with mixed water. However, my pH was still climbing even after ammonia dosing ended. I purchased fish from my lfs on 3/8 and they advised me against purchasing a couple of things I wanted because of my pH. So I added a filter bag of peat granules to my tank and managed to maintain a pH of 8.2 for a couple of days and now 3 days later I’ve dropped a point in GH and my pH has dropped to 8.0. In the meantime, I have been running an experiment to determine what is causing the pH increase. I thought it might be the Flora-Max/Eco-Complete substrate mixture in my tank after researching and seeing other’s posts on the subject. So I set up a controlled test to determine if that was what was happening in my case. At the same time, I also did a test of the 1:1 water mixer with a bubbler added, something I hadn’t done before. Previously, I had only let the water sit in a bucket over several days with no agitation. A picture of my pH results from this morning is attached. The Flora-Max/Eco-Complete does increase the pH of control RO water. I saw the biggest change with fresh material straight out of the bag compared to the older material from my tank. This does make sense as there are no buffers in the 100% RO water. So if you are going to use this substrate with very soft water, I would be cautious. However, there was no significant difference between the control 1:1 water with and without the substrates. AND the control water pH increased over time with no agitation and nothing else added!! AND the pH of the 1:1 water with the bubbler agitation was even higher with a pH of 8.4. So I feel like I know what going on now, which is a huge relief! (What do you know; it all comes down to the H2O out of my well again!) So I feel like I have two options, 1. I can continue with the 1:1 water but I’ll need to premix and pre-agitated it prior to use for water changes to minimize the pH swings for my fish. I’ll also have to continue the peat additions which is not exact and is a slow process. This also means my tank pH may stabilize around 8 which is not bad but does limit my fish options. Option 2. I can run 100% RO water with additives to create exactly what I need. The cons are I will have to make more RO water and use chemical additives. The pros, I should be able to maintain a lower stable pH which increases my fish options. I think the time involved, water storage space and power usage are all about the same for either option and make them a wash. I’m leaning towards option 2 at the moment. I’m thinking I can minimize pH swings and stress on my fish by gradually shifting to 100% RO water by making all my PWC with 100% RO water slowing over several weeks. I’m thinking of 25-30% PWC weekly until I get to a stable lower pH.
So I’m wondering if there are other drawbacks to the RO water that I don’t know about? I have created a formula where I’m adding Seachem Alkaline and Acid Buffers, Replenish (but I’ve ordered some Equilibrium and will be switching to that), Prime, Phosphorus and Flourish Excel. Anything else I need to consider? Also, I made up about 3 gallons of this combination this morning and added it to a bucket with a bubbler to monitor it over a few days to see if in fact the 100% RO water pH remains stable with agitation. My final formula before agitation gave me a pH of 6.8-7.0, KH of 8, GH of 9, phosphate of 0.25-0.5. I hope you’ll share you RO water expertise and any thoughts you might have. Thank you.
Here are my test samples from left to right:
#1 - New Eco-Complete with 1:1 RO:Hard Well Water
#2 - New Eco-Complete with 100% RO Water
#3 - Flora-Max Substrate Mix from my tank with 1:1 RO:Hard Well Water
#4 - Flora-Max Substrate Mix from my tank with 100% RO Water
#5 - Control 1:1 RO:Hard Well Water (no substrate)
#6 - Control 100% RO Water (no substrate)
2nd from right - 84 hours 1:1 RO:Well with bubbler
last on right - tank pH today