Panda Cory Seizure?

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ButterstheAngel

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Hi all! I’ve had 10 baby panda cories since July. Recently I noticed one of them doing spinning and flipping that seems like it’s out of control of its body, it lasts 10 seconds or so and then it flops down breathing heavy and almost passed out. Is this a seizure?

I think fish can have those maybe due to acidic water? My tank usually sits kind of high like 7.0-7.2. I also know they are wierd little characters that do stuff just for fun but this seems like a bad experience for it.

I can’t tell if it’s always the same one or more than one, because I have 10. Today the one I noticed having this issue repeatedly was one of the smallest ones. Genetic issue maybe it’s always had?

Thanks in advance!
 
Also, when it tries swimming again it can't get it's balance back. It swims all wobbly and loopy and spinning, like it's sick :(
 
Most Corydoras come from water with a GH below 100ppm and a pH around 7.0 or lower.

A pH of 7.0 is neutral and does not cause this, and neither does acid water.

A high pH is above 7.6 and that doesn't cause this either.

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When fish start spinning/ spiraling through the water, it is usually caused by an infection in the brain (bacterial, viral, protozoan). These occur when the water quality deteriorates and microscopic organisms can build up in numbers and infect the fish.

It can also be caused by brain damage (caused by a hit to the head or swimming into something hard), which is much less common.

If it was a genetic issue, it usually occurs from day one, not 6 months later.

The treatment for brain infections is cleaning up the tank conditions and adding some salt. The infected fish usually dies but cleaning and salt normally stops the issue spreading to other fish.

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WHAT TO DO NOW.
Test the water for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH.

Wipe the inside of the glass down with a clean fish sponge. This removes the biofilm on the glass and the biofilm will contain lots of harmful bacteria, fungus, protozoans and various other microscopic life forms.

Do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate every day for a week. The water changes and gravel cleaning will reduce the number of disease organisms in the water and provide a cleaner environment for the fish to recover in. It also removes a lot of the gunk and this means any medication can work on treating the fish instead of being wasted killing the pathogens in the gunk.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it is added to the tank.

Clean the filter if it hasn't been done in the last 2 weeks. However, if the filter is less than 6 weeks old, do not clean it. Wash the filter materials/ media in a bucket of tank water and re-use the media. Tip the bucket of dirty water on the garden/ lawn. Cleaning the filter means less gunk and cleaner water with fewer pathogens so any medication (if needed) will work more effectively on the fish.

Increase surface turbulence/ aeration to maximise the dissolved oxygen in the water.

Post clear pictures and video of the fish so we can check them for diseases.
You can upload videos to YouTube, then copy & paste the link here.

Add some salt.

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SALT
You can add rock salt (often sold as aquarium salt), swimming pool salt, or any non iodised salt (sodium chloride) to the aquarium at the dose rate of 1 heaped tablespoon per 20 litres of water. If there is no improvement after 48 hours you can double that dose rate so there is 2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

Keep the salt level like this for at least 2 weeks but no longer than 4 weeks otherwise kidney damage can occur. Kidney damage is more likely to occur in fish from soft water (tetras, Corydoras, angelfish, Bettas & gouramis, loaches) that are exposed to high levels of salt for an extended period of time, and is not an issue with livebearers, rainbowfish or other salt tolerant species.

The salt will not affect the beneficial filter bacteria, fish, plants, shrimp or snails.

After you use salt and the fish have recovered, you do a 10% water change each day for a week using only fresh water that has been dechlorinated. Then do a 20% water change each day for a week. Then you can do bigger water changes after that. This dilutes the salt out of the tank slowly so it doesn't harm the fish.

If you do water changes while using salt, you need to treat the new water with salt before adding it to the tank. This will keep the salt level stable in the tank and minimise stress on the fish.

When you first add salt, add the salt to a small bucket of tank water and dissolve the salt. Then slowly pour the salt water into the tank near the filter outlet. Add the salt over a couple of minutes.
 
Thank you I’ll do all of that. My ammonia nitrates and nitrites are zero. Can I try quarantining the one spinning and give it salt, kanaplex, or metronidazole for a couple days?
 
No point isolating it. If the fish has an infection, it will be in the main tank and all the fish are exposed to it.

Kanaplex and Metronidazole are antibiotics and only treat certain bacteria. They won't make any difference if it's caused by protozoa or a virus and don't normally help once the fish starts spinning.

Just clean the tank up and add salt to the main aquarium, then hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
 
I’ve been cleaning it a lot lately, vacuuming and cleaning the filter in tank water. I have not cleaned the glass well or added salt lately so will add that to my list. Thank you!
 
Lol brain infection. I feel like I’m in some kind of parallel fish universe waiting for Ashton Kutcher to jump out any minute.
 
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