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boggerscott

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hello every one. i just recently got out of the coral reef world of aquariums. its was fun and beautiful , but my god exspensive! so i sold every thing i had 3 months ago and now am craving for it again, but have always had the desire to do a plant tank. so i went out and got a 55 gallon tank and stand . im going to build a vho lighting hood with 2 48" bulbs. 1 super actinic and 1 actinic white. does this sound like im going in the right dirrection or not. is this over kill or not. plus any tips on what i have to get to have a seccesful tank. i would be very glad to get from you all. hope to hear from some of you.
 
boggerscott said:
hello every one. i just recently got out of the coral reef world of aquariums. its was fun and beautiful , but my god exspensive! so i sold every thing i had 3 months ago and now am craving for it again, but have always had the desire to do a plant tank. so i went out and got a 55 gallon tank and stand . im going to build a vho lighting hood with 2 48" bulbs. 1 super actinic and 1 actinic white. does this sound like im going in the right dirrection or not. is this over kill or not. plus any tips on what i have to get to have a seccesful tank. i would be very glad to get from you all. hope to hear from some of you.
ok... before selecting the lights you need to answer some questions...

1. do you want to inject CO2?
2. Do you what to dose fertilizers?
3. Are there any must have plants?
 
You need to decide what kind of plants you would like to maintain and how much you are willing to spend. You could establish a high-end FW planted aquarium for perhaps half the cost of an equivalent reef tank, assuming that was also high-end. On the other end of the spectrum, you could do a low/medium light setup with limited plants and lots of DIY for very cheap.

I would suggest looking at T-5, T-8 or CF lights instead of VHO. How much light depends on what you want to do.

You will want to get a good canister filter, good heater, good substrate, learn about fertilizer dosing, and decide on CO2 (DIY, Semi-Automated or Fully Automated)...
 
48" VHO? Are you talking T5's? My real question is how many watts is that? I think you are shooting for the 1.5-2.5 WPG range. Which gives you lots of choices, without forcing you onto the rollercoaster ride of a High Light High Tech tank. (LoL, I hope you did'nt switch to planted in hopes of it being less work or cost than your reef)

Actinic bulbs are not used for plant growth.

This forum has awsome stickes that cover all the basics of fertilizors, lights, substrate etc.
 
ok well thanks for the advise and question. to ansewer "dapelleglini" i guess i really dont know what plant there are out there and there names yet. this is all new to me far as plants. money is really not a problem. i was paying anywere from $120 dollars for a head of coral to $400. fish "well i dont even want to go there". i would kind of like to stay in the simple part of all this i guess sense i just got out of the non stop worrying of reef tanks. i just want to kick back and relax looken at my tank and not worrying about "o thats going to sting this and that needs more flow and this needs more light. GOD! was that a headache. so in this kind of setup i am getting the drift that high light is not important? the lights i was going to use are 110 watts a peice, so 220 watts for a 55 gallon. maybe i could describe what i like. i like the tanks with the whole ground covered in what kinda looks like clover. a piece of drift wood with a plant or 2 growing out of it, then some taller plants on the side growing to the top of the tank. i would like to have 3 line silver angles and neons and a cory cat. does this sound resonable?? i would like to share a couple photes of my last 2 coral tanks. so you all no i am serious and love this hobby one is of my 120 gallon soft coral tank and the other is of my 150 gal. hard coral tank.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j22/boggerscott/IMG_5935email.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j22/boggerscott/miso4057.jpg
 
Very cool. I like the first reef tank. I think your lighting would be fine. You will want to do CO2 injection, which is a couple hundred dollars for a setup, but will save you TONS of headache and give you a lot of flexibility.

Here is a break down of what I spent:

http://www.publiclogic.com/fish/Fish_Expenses.xls

For this:

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/viewtopic.php?t=88786 (page 3 has the latest photos)

Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but based on what you were doing on your reef setup, I would say you could sink $1-2k into a nice 55g FW setup...
 
Those tanks are fabulous! Both tanks are absolutely gorgeous- why did you tear them down though? They looked like they were showroom quality at a public aquarium!


What you have described in the tank is easy to do.
Here's how to set-up that tropical scene of the plants growing from out of the driftwood. Buy an anubia plant, nana, coffeolis, or barteri are good choices or even a few java ferns plants.
Then, buy 2 pieces of driftwood and get some twist ties, black color with plastic coating (you can get these easy at a hardware store or saving the ties that come with alot of electronics nowadays).
Then using the ties, place the plants on the driftwood. It's that easy. In time, the plants will grow and spread, covering the twist ties from view and you will have a marvelous tropical scene!

I used that formula with tremendous success on my lava rock, which I tied 2 anubias, 1 nana and 1 coffeolis. It took some time for the plants to fill in, but the roots from ther plants now interlace with the rock, weaving in and out of it, while covering the ties in their wonderful roots.

As for the lighting, something in the 1.5-2 watts per gallon range would be perfect for the tank. Perhaps this could help you:
http://www.hellolights.com/482xcofraq2x.html

Also, for filtration, I would go with an Eheim model, like the ecco line, or perhaps a rena filstar- both are oustanding brands.

Hope this helps your decisions!
 
Getting some cool plants to grow on wood and rocks is fun. My current favorites are Bolbitis:

http://www.plantgeek.net/plant-40.htm

and Lace Java Fern: http://www.plantgeek.net/plant-162.htm

Java and Xmas Moss are also popular plants for covering wood. Twist-ties will work as physicsdude explained above. Thin, dark cotton thread. Either way, you will need to do something to attach them (easier than gluing your corals)...

If you want to grow a nice foreground, IME you will need lighting in the med-high range, at minimum (though others will tell you differently). Glosso (http://www.plantgeek.net/plant-120.htm) is kind of the standard foreground plant, and a good example of one that take good lighting and good substrate.
 
boggerscott said:
the lights i was going to use are 110 watts a peice, so 220 watts for a 55 gallon.

That is a lot of light. With that much light, you will HAVE to invest in CO2 and fertilizers.

Please read the resources thread at the top of this forum for some great info.
 
well thanks all of you im going to try to start getting at it. ill keep you all posted. wish me luck ill talk to you all soon im sure. thanks again. all you guys tanks look great, hope mine only comes close to looken like you guys tanks. i did decide to go with less wattage bulbs.
 
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