Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Saltwater and Reef > Saltwater & Reef - Getting Started
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 05-25-2005, 10:19 AM   #1
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cherry Hill New Jersey
Posts: 238
A first timer plunges in with both feet

Nice to meet you all. I'm a first time fish keeper that's going in big.

My particulars: Setting up a FO SW system comprising 120 gal. all glass tank (4'X2'X2'), proclear 200 w/ pre filter, Iwaki MD20 pump.

Haven't cycled the tank yet, but am leaning on the fishless route with ammonium chloride and Fritz Turbostart.

Let me first say to forgive me for asking questions that are probably already answered somewhere on this site. I'm just a little anxious to get started.

Here's my goal: I'd like about 6 to 12 nice looking, low to medium maintenace fish that (hopefully) all get along. I'm ready to put the time in, and do the water changes as necessary.

A couple questions if I may:

1) Cycling; any comments on the fishless cycling/ammonium/turbostart system? Right now the tank has been running with all the decorations and salt mix for a few days. Just waiting to cyle.

2) Fish: I've seen a couple I'm interested in and am wondering what you all think in terms of maintenance and compatibility: Blue Hippo Tang, Percula Clown, Royal Gramma, Naso Tang (blond). If the above are not happy with each other, perhaps some suggestions on 6 to 12 fish?

3) Fish by Mail: Any comments/recommendations on buying fish on the web? I don't drive so getting to my LFS is a *****.

It's nice to be part of the group and thanks in advance for your help!

Spinman
Cherry Hill NJ
__________________

__________________
spinman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2005, 01:19 PM   #2
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,111
Welcome to AA (from a fellow Jersey Reefer)! I have the same tank that you've gotten. What kind of decorations did you put into your tank? I went with 100# of base rock to start and followed that with 60# of live rock from www.liverocks.com (awesome supplier of rock, cheap, to your door). I generally order my fish from LiveAquaria.com. There are a few sites out there that are cheaper but the 14d guarentee keeps me going back for more. They're customer service has been wonderful any time I've had to deal with them. I'd get 2 percs, the Royal Gramma and one of those tangs. You could also do a few chromis or a couple of cardinals. I have a yellow and a purple so I can't speak from experience on the ones you're looking at but check hardiness and make them the last fish in the tank. A lot of tangs are "Ich" magnets and you don't want an intimate knowledge of THAT parasite. If you're not going to go reef go ahead and get a dwarf angel (but just one) either a flame or a coral beauty. Those are two wonderfully colored fish. A fish count of 4-8 is probably realistic depending on the adult sizes of the fish that you choose (you want around 25% of your tank volume in fish inches).

Add your fish one or two at a time when your cycling process is over so as not to overwhelm your tank.
__________________

__________________
Phyllis

Join the NJ Reef Club Today! Saving the world's reefs one living room at a time!
MACNA XXI Atlantic City, NJ September 25-27, 2009
Phyl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2005, 03:10 PM   #3
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
lando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Savage, MN
Posts: 7,889
Welcome to AquariumAdvice.com!!!
Any thought to using LR in the tank. If there is one peice of advice I can give you, it is to use LR as biological filtering media. It is the best thing you can do for a tank. It is not cheap but well worth it.
Quote:
1) Cycling; any comments on the fishless cycling/ammonium/turbostart system? Right now the tank has been running with all the decorations and salt mix for a few days. Just waiting to cyle.
Use a raw shrimp from the grocery store to start your cycle. LR also works great to kick start a cycle. I would remove the decos for now, they will just get covered in algea and look bad during the cycling phase.
Quote:
2) Fish: I've seen a couple I'm interested in and am wondering what you all think in terms of maintenance and compatibility: Blue Hippo Tang, Percula Clown, Royal Gramma, Naso Tang (blond). If the above are not happy with each other, perhaps some suggestions on 6 to 12 fish?
Decide what type of tank yo want...peaceful community, reef, perditor aggressive. Then decide on one or two "must have" fish that are your favorites and build the rest of the tock aroudn those.
Quote:
3) Fish by Mail: Any comments/recommendations on buying fish on the web? I don't drive so getting to my LFS is a *beep*.
There are many reputable online livestock dealers. www.liveaquaria.com is one that I have used with great sucess. They have a flat shipping fee and do not charge for boxes or packaging. Also have a 14day warrenty on fish. There are many other that are great as well.
Lastly, I recommend buying a good book on SW fish. I like "The Consceintious Marine Aquarist" by Robert Fenner. It is a very good resource. Keep stopping here with your questions and keep us posted on your progress.
__________________
Some people are like slinkies...they serve no real purpose yet can still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs!:p
Have a great day! Brian
lando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2005, 03:44 PM   #4
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Texas USA
Posts: 323
Welcome to AA I would like to recommend a book that has helped me lots, it is 'The New Marine Aquarium' by 'Michael Paletta'. It covers pretty much everything there is to know about SW tanks. It is also recommended by this website. Good luck with your new tank and keep us posted!!
__________________
gilraen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2005, 04:45 PM   #5
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cherry Hill New Jersey
Posts: 238
1st timer

Thanks for the quick reply. This site seems real helpful and I've only been on it 6 hours!

My decorations include some rocks that have a bunch of small worm like holes in it, a piece a lava rock, some artificial coral, and my base is 30# of crushed coral, and some shells from when I was a kid.

Seem like from the other posts that LR would be a good idea.

It all seems of kiinda overwhelming right now.

I'm not sure what to do first, but i think it's to start cycling the tank. What's your take on fishless cycling?

Thx

Spin
__________________
spinman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2005, 04:58 PM   #6
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
lando's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Savage, MN
Posts: 7,889
Quote:
What's your take on fishless cycling?
Go for it. Drop in a cocktail shrimp and let it go to work.
__________________
Some people are like slinkies...they serve no real purpose yet can still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs!:p
Have a great day! Brian
lando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2005, 05:03 PM   #7
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: maine
Posts: 1,975
I would seriously consider FOWLR. You can cycle with the live rock, and the live rock makes for some of the best filtration you can ever have. And it looks better than fake decorations
__________________
*26 freshwater*
2x Sunburst Platys (2M, 2F) // 3x Neon Tetras (?) // 2x Cherry Barbs (1M, 1F) // 2x YoYo Loaches (?) // 1x Bushy Nose Pleco (M) // 1x Clown Pleco (?) //

*15H marine*
-30# Live Rock
-Mixed Snails (Nassarius // Cerith // Astrea // Black Turbo // Mexican Turbo)
-8x Blue Leg Hermit Crabs // 1x Banded Serpent Star // 1x Cleaner Shrimp
-1x Royal Gramma // 1x Percula Clownfish
-2x Mushroom Leather // Metallic Green Star Polyps // Pulsing Xenia // Striped Xenia // Blue Mushroom
-Remora + Maxi-Jet 1200 // 2x Maxi-Jet 600 // Maxi-Jet 400 // Visi-Therm Deluxe 50 // Current USA Orbit 2x 40w PC
grimlock3000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2005, 05:04 PM   #8
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cherry Hill New Jersey
Posts: 238
Can you clue me in on this dead shrimp method?

How long does it take?

Do I _really_ need LR? It would cost me fortune for my tank. Isn't my $290 filter good enough for my FO tank?

Thanks again

Spin
__________________
120 g FOWLR, Pro Clear 200 19 gal. sump (bio balls removed), 50# Walt Smith FiJi LR, 150# reefersrock base, 300# DSB, Iwaki MD 20 return, (2) Rio 600s, (2) Hagen 802s, Amiracle Quad II skimmer, (2) Coralife 4 X 65s, 2 Lebo moonlights, (2) 120 mm vent. fans,

(2) Perc. Clowns, (1) Yellow Tang, (1) cleaner shrimp, (2) Henis, pending: Foxace Lo, Flame Angel, blue legs, scarlets, 4 emerald crabs, nassarius snails, 50 mexican turbos, (1) good bankruptcy attorney when this hobby blows out of control!
spinman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2005, 10:20 PM   #9
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Piedmont, NC
Posts: 4,580
cycle without fish

Hello I am also a first timer with SW. If you jumped in with both feet then I guess I bought the lake. (525 gal) If it makes you feel better my live rock is going to run me around $2000. Here is the article you were asking for.
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/showqu...q=2&fldAuto=15
__________________
Brenden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2005, 12:11 PM   #10
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cherry Hill New Jersey
Posts: 238
I'm sinking fast.....<:(

To all,

Thanks for the feedback. I get the impression that most of you are quite advanced fish/reef folks.

To be honest, I'm trying to keep this new hobby as simple as possible.

This brings to mind my last great hobby 14 years ago. I wanted to start brewing beer at home to save money and because I developed a love for German what beer. I told my friend who was a homebrewer to just teach me the minimum things I'd need to do this. In oher words keep it simple. Well as I got into it, and joined an online homebrew group, I went from doing small 5 gallon batches on the kitchen stove to eventually exploding into 30 gallon batches outside with propane burners and all kinds of Stainless tanks and pumps and kegs and on an on. I had the largest homebrew setup in my area. Now it's all gone (sold on Ebay). Too much work and made a heck of a mess.
I don't miss it though. Now I just go to the store and buy what I want.

I'd don't want this to happen with my SW tank.

My goal is to have a FO system with a few nice fish and that's it. I come home from work, I look at the fish , feed the fish, check the levels and do the required water changes as necessary.

I'm getting a little scared with all this talk of LR and stuff.

I mean, am I kidding myself that what i want to achieve can be done without the LR?

Thanks again for your help.

Spin
__________________

__________________
spinman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pumping Water 25 feet Up - Help Please themangia General Hardware/Equipment Discussion 7 06-22-2009 12:48 AM
how much gph do you need for 16 feet? krap101 Freshwater & Brackish - Coldwater, Native Fish & Ponds 0 06-13-2005 06:19 PM
Anemones with feet? JPloman Saltwater Reef Aquaria 8 03-11-2005 09:34 PM
sweaty feet and fish BmxBandGeek Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 12 05-20-2004 04:47 PM
feet? alrmc4 Saltwater & Reef - Identification 6 04-26-2003 11:07 AM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.