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Old 03-18-2005, 05:17 PM   #51
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Fish whom are fed at a regular time will become more active just prior to feeding. Fish whom are feed in the same spot of the tank all the time will congragate there when someone is close to the tank.
My fish go crazy nuts when I set a coffe cup containing frozen food on the glass top of the tank for a few minutes to let the food melt to tank temp.

Those fish know what is in that cup. Thats some pretty smart fish.
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Old 03-18-2005, 05:21 PM   #52
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In response to the memory debate:

They may develope memory but at the same time the are not very intellegent. For instance You can set up a tank placing plants and decorative rock in several areas, leave it for a year. The fish will develope territories and even homes. If you take and move all the plants and decrotive rocks around, the fish get confussed and don't register that it is the same rock just in a different spot and will develope a totally different territory and home.....
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Old 03-18-2005, 05:27 PM   #53
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This is a very cool debate! To respond to FF I don't really feed my fish at the same time of day and it's not only when it's feeding time. I'm talking when I go up to the tank they seem to perform for me a little bit. My fish didn't do this at first and it has been a gradual progression. I agree that there probably isn't much complexity to their memory but I believe it is there.
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Fish definitely have a memory of some kind. Think of all those salmon who return to the stream where the spawned from. You could say it was instinct I guess but what drives that instinct? It has to on some level be some sense of memory in my opinion. It may be a primitive memory but a memory none the less.

As far as pain goes, I would think on some level they experience some form of it. They definitely react to negative stimuli. Whether this is true pain as you and I feel, I think we will never know.
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Fish definitely have a memory of some kind. Think of all those salmon...
Fish have instincts and that would be about it...

Check this link out by a MD... http://www.cotrout.org/do_fish_feel_pain.htm
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Have you ever heard a lobster scream when they are being steamed at a lobster restaurant? They scream. Sounds a lot like a horrified womans scream. Its wierd.
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Have you ever heard a lobster scream when they are being steamed at a lobster restaurant? They scream. Sounds a lot like a horrified womans scream. Its wierd.
Just air being expelled from cavities within the exoskeleton, more than likely. Since they don't have lungs, they can't exhale. Or course, then there's the whole vocal cord thing...
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For instance You can set up a tank placing plants and decorative rock in several areas, leave it for a year. The fish will develope territories and even homes. If you take and move all the plants and decrotive rocks around, the fish get confussed and don't register that it is the same rock just in a different spot and will develope a totally different territory and home.....
Wouldn't this be true of humans also? If somone discreetly moved every house on one block during the day, when people came home there would be mass confusion. It would take awhile before everyone realized that there house was moved.
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For instance You can set up a tank placing plants and decorative rock in several areas, leave it for a year. The fish will develope territories and even homes. If you take and move all the plants and decrotive rocks around, the fish get confussed and don't register that it is the same rock just in a different spot and will develope a totally different territory and home.....
Wouldn't this be true of humans also? If somone discreetly moved every house on one block during the day, when people came home there would be mass confusion. It would take awhile before everyone realized that there house was moved.
never thought of it that way...lol....alot of POed people on that block..This is true but you would recognize your house after the confusion was over. Fish I have found don't even recognize the same rock.
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heck,

I get mad whenever my fiancee moves the coffee table.
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