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Old 05-04-2013, 11:47 AM   #1
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Exclamation Dog Face Puffer squiting eye trouble breathing not eating

Hello I have a 65 gallon tank, recently had a couple fish die..introduced a "Coral Beauty" ...my Niger Trigger harrassed it..a week later dead one morning..next my Clown Fish got Fin Rot..discovered a dead Mandarin and now realized I am missing a Blue damsel..I still have my Dog faced Puffer..Niger Triger..Sharp nosed Puffer..small Clown..alage blemmy. Everyone is acting ok except for the Puffer. For a while I thought he had a gill infection, appeared to keep one gill closed. His eyes looked spotty. Tried a couple ich-x dips. Then was told it is a fungal infection..added PRimx to tank..did nothing but stress trigger so I did multiple water changes, changed out media in filters to collect medication.

He hasnt eaten in 4 days or so...used to eat like a beast..I have every kind of food..he used to love frozen clams especially w/ garlic xtreme..even tried ghost shrimp last night...nope. Every now and then I catch him at the top of tank then he will come back down crotch under a rock.

- Salinity 1.023
- Ammonia - .025
- Nitrites - 0
_ Nitrates - 40?
- PH - 8.0

I've done multiple water changes, cleaned out filter hoses (WOW what nasty gunk inside) Protein skimmer is working great..cleaned out pumps..trying to elminate any nitrates hanging around. Tank looks excellent..other fish acting great. Is it the nitrates hurting his eyes and restricting breathing or do you think some kind of infection? Unable to get Cleaner Wrasse, been trying.

- Tap water with 100ppm using Amquel + at 2.5ml per 5 gallons when changing
<<this is how I feel right now unable to save him
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:40 PM   #2
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Cloudy eyes is usually a water quality issue. It often goes away with pristine water parameters.

Your Nitrates are high. You mentioned gunky media. That should be changed more regularly or it becomes a nitrate factory. You have ammonia, which means the tank is not cycled or you have a very high bio load that your BB can not keep up with. You listed quite a few fish for a 65g. That is my guess fir the Ammonia. Ammonia and nitrites should always be zero in a properly cycled and stocked tank.

IMO, a cleaner wrasse is not going to do anything.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:04 PM   #3
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so what is your suggestion? my dog face puffer is at the top of the tank currently. Only sits up there for a bit then comes back down. Still not eating. Any suggestions to save him? all other fish acting fine. Best way to get nitrates/Ammonia down? water changes..? if so how frequent and how much.
I didnt realize my bioload and should've been cleaning filters more often your right.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:06 PM   #4
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how do i "cycle" the tank? should I not be cleaning specific parts of my fluval to hold some good bacteria? tanks been running for around 6 months..started it with argonite live sand
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If its been up running for six months, it is probably cycled, but with ammonia showing up, I think that the bioload could just be too much. What exactly do you have in there right now as far as fish and then what do you have as far as filtration? How often do you typically feed the tank?

Something is causing the nitrates. Maybe overfeeding? How frequently do you do water changes? How frequently do you clean filters? That mystery needs to be solved, as water changes will bring it down, but it will bounce back up.

I wish I had an idea for saving the puffer, but I'm not sure exactly what is going on. Ammonia and nitrates can burn gils. Maybe that is the issue with the one gil? I've never had a puffer, so maybe someone else has some ideas???
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Switching to even distilled water over tap with large water changes will help with this issue. That and the answers to what TheTodd asked will probably solve the issue.
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but when I use the Amquel + with the tap water, doesn't it elimate the nitrates like it said it does? I have a RO water system on its way. Just did a minor 10 gallon water change tommorrow, another tommorrow. I did notice nitrates coming down when I re-tested, were definitely in the red before. I guess since this is my first salt water tank I didn't realize that I over loaded it and wasn't cleaning water enough to keep up w/ bio-load and this must be the end result.

Changing water constant but not too much as to stress fish. Cleaned ALL filter media including protein skimmer which is working great. Puffer is not squinting eye anymore but still goes to the top of the tank ocassionally. Not eating at all, not matter what I try. Anyone ever heard of force feeding a dog face puffer? he will come to the front of the tank like hes fine and looks ok and happy but will not acknowledge food and ends up at top of tank. He's now breathing out of both gills. If only he would eat..he would live.

Coralife UV sterilizer 6x 18w turbo twist on its way as well.
Oh and as for feeding..yes I was over feeding..I didn't think the over feeding would be an issue with the powerful filter..I cut it down drastically..some frozen cubes have a lot inside and I was feeding 2 at a time, somtimes 2x a day, w/occasional clams for puffer/trigger and maybe a small amt of flakes for clown/damsel.
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the fish remaining in tank

1- Niger Trigger
1- Dog face puffer
1- Clown Pleco
1- Sharp Nosed Puffer
1- Alage Blemmy
1- Black Spiked Urchin
1- Pacific Small lobster(possibly alive...hard to find)
2- chocolate chip starfish (1 blue)

65 gallon tank
1- Fluval 306 (400gph)
1- Biowheel Filter in man tank
1- ESM or some $400 protein skimmer w/2 5000 jedra pumps in sump 30 gallon tank
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I would say still a huge bio load, especially with the trigger and puffer (messy fish!) keep up the weekly water changes. That ro you have coming will help a lot. It's not just nitrates that come from tap, it's a while other bunch of nasties too. Did you say you knew the TDS of the tap? There can also be other traces of metals (copper possibly) that is bad for salt. What are you feeding the puffer?
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tap is 100ppm.

Puffer won't eat refuses for maybe 4-5 days now. Stomach all sunken in. For a while he was a beast, would demolish clams..eat entire chunks of frozen food. Now he won't touch anything...I have everything..from Mysis/Brine shrimp to frozen clams on half shell..have used garlic xtreme before, no effect now, still ignores food. I have all kinds of frozen food, you name it I got it..trick is getting him to eat it.
I seriously want to grab him and shove some clam meat in his mouth..kills me to watch him starve to death
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