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Old 03-14-2005, 10:18 PM   #41
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Refractometer was checked for accuracy using RO/DI and I'm checking it 3 or 4 times a day, lol. I'm checking pH just about as often. This morning those spots looked faded but by this evening they were bright white like you see in that video. He's eating like a pig though! He ate an entire 3"x 1.5" strip of Nori while I was at work.

What part of the cycle does it affect? While they're on the fish or while they're swimming? What do you think about the RO/DI dip?
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Old 03-14-2005, 10:30 PM   #42
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This morning those spots looked faded but by this evening they were bright white like you see in that video.
Could simpley be the trophont maturing as the time to detach aproaches.

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Neither. It interupts the reproductive tomont.

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As long as you heat it to the same as the QT temp and adjust the pH as well. You need to be very careful these are matched properly so as not to further stress the fish. Once placed in the dip, be very watchful for overt signs of stress or discomfort. The tang will not like it at first but should settle down. If it doesn't, discontinue the dip and return to the QT. About 3 minutes should be plenty.

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That's why your seeing the spots. Hypo can only get them when they reach the free swimming stage, its the same with copper. That is the only stage when they are vunerable.
Thats the reason for the 4 week period at the treatment level, to make sure you get them all.
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Old 03-15-2005, 07:30 AM   #44
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Hmmm... Wait a minute. I thought copper got the swimmers and hypo got the cysts. Did I misunderstand something?
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Old 03-15-2005, 11:42 AM   #45
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I thought copper got the swimmers and hypo got the cysts. Did I misunderstand something?
Nope, that's basically correct.

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Old 03-15-2005, 12:11 PM   #46
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Honestly, I think it is an unnecessary stressful step in this case. If the SG is at treatment level and the fish is otherwise acting and eating normally, I would skip it.
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Usually I would agree but from watching the .MOV, the tang is gilling quite rapidly and showing obvious signs of discomfort. The dip would help remove some of the trophonts easing the discomfort and help with the gills. My main concern here is gill damage as well as suffocation. As hypo progresses it wil prevent re-infestation but it will do nothing to ease the trophonts.

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Wow, I missed the .Mov link ( I really gotta slow down scanning these posts)
OK, I digress....he does look pretty bad.
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The dip would help remove some of the trophonts easing the discomfort and help with the gills.
Does it really? After reading the links you sent me to where it said that it wouldn't take any of the parasites off of the fish since they're burrowed anyway I didn't see where it would help to dip him. I put it off last night after reading that but if you think it is a good idea and isn't going to make matters worse then I'll go ahead and dip tonight.

Exactly which stage is the trophont?
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After reading the links you sent me to where it said that it wouldn't take any of the parasites off of the fish since they're burrowed anyway I didn't see where it would help to dip him. I put it off last night after reading that but if you think it is a good idea and isn't going to make matters worse then I'll go ahead and dip tonight.
The FW dip has no real effect as a cure but can ease the infestation of surface trophonts, not the ones buried deep into the epithelium. The goal with the dip is not to eliminate the trophonts, only ease the discomfort of the fish and aid in breathing. With light-normal infestations it would be pointless but given the state of the tang now, I am concerned it is having difficulty breathing.

It is a risk no matter which route you choose. If the fish is extremely week from the onslought, the dip could do more harm than good. On the otherhand if the parasites does not abate soon to the reproductive stage, the tang could succumb and die of suffocation. It's one of those darned if you do and darned if you don't situations.

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The noduals on the fish.

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