Steachem Stability or another bottled bacteria?

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Do you get much smell with that?
With the 29 gallon, it smelled a bit, but it was in an open aerated area, so it didn't get too bad. And the shrimp was in a little net sack tied near the surface, so I think that brought the smell to the surface. With the 3 gallon and current 10 gallon, the shrimp was loose, and sank to the bottom, so it never ever smelled.
 
Yes. We know that the nitrifying bacteria found in our aquariums does not have a spore form, so that means that the kind they use is not the same kind that naturally occurs in our systems.
 
Well, even if it doesn't naturally occur in our systems, it seems to work for the most part. The safest bet is to cycle normally... Let's say stability bacteria does nitrify, eventually the natural bacteria will build up as well, so I believe in that sense, it could work.

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Well, even if it doesn't naturally occur in our systems, it seems to work for the most part. The safest bet is to cycle normally... Let's say stability bacteria does nitrify, eventually the natural bacteria will build up as well, so I believe in that sense, it could work.

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Yes, but the whole idea is to use a product that has the naturally occurring bacteria in it so that the real biofilter is being built, rather than using a substitute and hoping for the best. If there were no other options, I get it, but Tetra Safestart and Dr Tims (as well as seeded media) have proven to be the best methods to use. And in the case of Dr Tims there is plenty of data and paperwork out there that has been freely published on the subject, which is about the direct opposite of what you find with most of the other bacteria in a bottle suppliers.

To me it's like push starting a stick shift car instead of buying a new battery for it.

As mentioned, Safestart can be hit and miss sometimes depending on how it was handled. I don't know how much that has changed since it was first introduced, but originally biospira was a refrigerated product. I know that some of the fish wholesalers still sell a refrigerated liquid product to seed new store tanks.
 
Does anyone know for a fact if Tetra SafeStart uses the right kind of bacteria? I'm thinking of going for that one, as it's readily available to me. I will be using it fishless, in case it doesn't work out the first time.
 
nitrosomonas matches some notes I have. Also see wiki

Nitrosomonas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The other one I'm not so sure about - away from desktop.

Nitrobacter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Edit - there is 40% of solution not listed though. Also what does <1% mean??? My tap water would say the say thing.
<1% means less that 1 percent, so there is a very small amount of the 2 bacteria mentioned. And you are right, there is some percentages missing in order to reach to 100%. I wonder why they chose to leave it out.
 
Sorry, I meant why not put it more accurately. Technically it could be 0.

But I guess having tried it, I'd use it again and haven't noticed any problems.
 
Sorry, I meant why not put it more accurately. Technically it could be 0.

But I guess having tried it, I'd use it again and haven't noticed any problems.
Yeah, it looks there is way too little amounts of bacteria. But if it worked, then it must have been enough.
Ok, I'll keep it in my options.
 
Yeah, it looks there is way too little amounts of bacteria. But if it worked, then it must have been enough.
Ok, I'll keep it in my options.


Well definitely seemed to speed up but wasn't overnight. More like down to days when I was expecting weeks. Sorry, not very definitive I know.
 
Well definitely seemed to speed up but wasn't overnight. More like down to days when I was expecting weeks. Sorry, not very definitive I know.
I think that's good enough for me. Cycling usually takes me a month.
 
Let us know how you go?
Sure! Although I will already have a head start since I've been cycling with a single raw shrimp for 3 weeks now. I may buy the bottled bacteria tomorrow. And I may go for Tetra SafeStart, since it was made by the great Dr.Tim.
 
Ok, so I bought Tetra SafeStart today. When I got home, I put about 20ml in the 10 gallon tank. I added about 10ml to the water, and 10ml to the filter media. ...I had forgotten to test the water before putting SafeStart in, so I have no idea what the water parameters were.

I tested a few hours later and my tank is fully cycled to my belief. Ammonia appears to be at 0 (I always have the hardest time telling between >0.25ppm and 0ppm, so I'll just consider it 0). Nitrite is 0. Nitrate is 80ppm. I guess I should be happy now!

I don't know if I should by a fish or 2 tomorrow. I could wait another week just in case, but then my mom will nag me haha. I want to buy 2 platies from a big lfs not too far from me, but their fish's health is very questionable. You always see at least 2 dead or dying fish somewhere in the store. So I don't know if I should order some medicated fish food online first. Or buy the fish, order the medicated food, and hope the fish doesn't get sick until the food arrives. What do you guys think?
 
I wouldn't order medicated fish food.

Fish die after arriving in the store for a lot of reasons. They've also often been heavily medicated already. It's not necessarily the case that the dead fish had a contagious disease.

And even if you do bring home a bug, it's hard to say which medicine is the right one.

Finally, as in humans, some of the things that cause fish disease are present all the time. They cause illness only when things get out of balance. This is one of many reasons why overuse of antibiotics is such a bad idea.

For instance, did you know that one of the bacteria that causes pneumonia, sinus infections, and ear infections is always living in your sinuses? You only get sick when, in the community of bacteria and fungi and viruses that are always in your body, that one bacteria population gets out of control (often because something killed the other stuff off).

Your best bet is to provide a very healthy home. Do avoid buying when it looks like the dead fish was diseased, and quarantine as is appropriate to your situation (I don't, but I have a small tank of cheap hardy fish). Medicate as rarely and judiciously as possible.

Every time I have bought fish, it was from a store that had a few dead fish somewhere. The long term results from PetSmart and from my LFS have been the same.




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Er, just posting out of interest as I've never used that one but it seems a very quick cycle? I had thought it took 24hrs for the bacteria to start latching onto media and get going as I had a note not to run UV for 24 to 48hrs post dose?? Just curious.
 
Er, just posting out of interest as I've never used that one but it seems a very quick cycle? I had thought it took 24hrs for the bacteria to start latching onto media and get going as I had a note not to run UV for 24 to 48hrs post dose?? Just curious.
Well, then I guess my tank had already cycled when I poured the SafeStart. Heh, oh well. I'll use it for possible future emergencies.
 
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