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So I have a 28 gallon with 150 watt 6500k metal halide bulb on it. I'm going to want to plant it heavily, and I believe I'll be needing CO2 and ferts. I only have a 20 gallon low light planted with 1 T8 18 watt and that's it, I also dose excel and a liquid fertilizer as well as root tabs.

So any of this with C02 would be new, I've been reading on it but I still don't know how I would need it in my tank, or better how to set it up on my tank. As well as any extra ferts.
 
Whoah! Now THAT is a BUNCH of light! Yes, CO2 will be a necessity, as will ferts. Also- how close to the water surface will this fixture be? Metal halide outs out LOTS of heat.
 
Here are some links and info that you might find useful:

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f20/1-4-diy-3-4-purchased-co2-system-136350.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/co2-question-155336.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/another-co2-149416.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/co2-148857.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f15/best-co2-units-144043.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/how-to-set-up-a-co2-system-137982.html

Plants need 5 big things to grow, and several smaller amounts of other nutrients to thrive.

The big things:
1. Light
2. Carbon - This comes in a few forms... your plants will use CO2 in the water to get this. Without injecting CO2 your water will remain at equilibrium with the air, around 7ppm CO2. By injecting CO2 you can raise the CO2 to "unnatural" levels and essentially kick the plants into high gear. The consensus is the most beneficial level is somewhere between 20-40ppm CO2. You can also add Carbon by using a product called "seachem excel" or another gultaraldehyde product. It works very well with most plants, but can cause problems with others (namely hornwort, anacharis, and a few others) so read up on it before putting it in your tank.
3. Nitrogen (N): One of the 3 "macro-nutrients" for plant growth. If you have fish in your tank, there is a natural source of N provided by fish waste and uneaten food, in the form of ammonia, nitrite, and nitrates. Your plants will soak up these forms of N and use them to grow. As you add more light to a tank, especially if it is heavily planted, your plants may use up all of the N in your tank, and it may become necessary to supplement the N using fertilizer.

4. Phosphorus (P): the 2d of the 3 macro-nutrients. It occurs naturally in many water sources, and is also found in many foods and other organic material. It may be necessary to dose P in high light tanks where the plants are using up all available naturally occurring P. It occurs in the tank in the form of Phosphate, PO4... so you can get a phosphate test kit to check how much P your plants have available to use.

5. Potassium (K): The last of the 3 macro-nutrients. K doesn't occur naturally in much that is already in a standard tank. Most off the shelf aquarium fertilizers contain K (and not the other 2 macros). It is less harmful in large quantities, and almost any tank (from low to high) will benefit from the addition of a supplement that contains K.

The micro-nutrient or trace elements:

Plants also need other nutrients in much smaller quantities that are often referred to as micro-nutrients or trace elements. These include Iron (Fe), the most common trace element added, and a commonly available fertilizer. It also includes other elements, like Boron, Mg, etc.

Most ferts you find in your local fish store will be a liquid form that combines 1 or more of the nutrients I described above. Most serious FW Planted tank hobbyists prefer to dose each of the 4 categories above individually using dry fertilizers. You can buy enough dry fert to last years for a tank of your size for about $20-30. The liquid ferts sold in LFSs are very expensive in comparison, sometimes costing 20-70 times as much if you add up what you are getting per dose. Planted Aquarium Fertilizer - Home is a good source.

In addition to liquid dosing or dry dosing to the water column, there are also "root tabs" available that get "planted" in the substrate under the plants. They can do wonders for plants that are heavy root feeders. They contain 1 or more of the categories of ferts (N, P, K, or trace) I described above.
 
Whoah! Now THAT is a BUNCH of light! Yes, CO2 will be a necessity, as will ferts. Also- how close to the water surface will this fixture be? Metal halide outs out LOTS of heat.

Yeah I know :D but I'm going to try and it make it work. I was thinking of adding those sun screens on top of the tank and raising the light up a bit. This would reduce the amount? and as far as the heat, it's one of these JBJ-USA Aquarium Products
It has 4, 3,000 RPM cooling fans. Is this enough?
 
Here are some links and info that you might find useful:

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f20/1-4-diy-3-4-purchased-co2-system-136350.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/co2-question-155336.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/another-co2-149416.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/co2-148857.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f15/best-co2-units-144043.html
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/how-to-set-up-a-co2-system-137982.html

Plants need 5 big things to grow, and several smaller amounts of other nutrients to thrive.

The big things:
1. Light
2. Carbon - This comes in a few forms... your plants will use CO2 in the water to get this. Without injecting CO2 your water will remain at equilibrium with the air, around 7ppm CO2. By injecting CO2 you can raise the CO2 to "unnatural" levels and essentially kick the plants into high gear. The consensus is the most beneficial level is somewhere between 20-40ppm CO2. You can also add Carbon by using a product called "seachem excel" or another gultaraldehyde product. It works very well with most plants, but can cause problems with others (namely hornwort, anacharis, and a few others) so read up on it before putting it in your tank.
3. Nitrogen (N): One of the 3 "macro-nutrients" for plant growth. If you have fish in your tank, there is a natural source of N provided by fish waste and uneaten food, in the form of ammonia, nitrite, and nitrates. Your plants will soak up these forms of N and use them to grow. As you add more light to a tank, especially if it is heavily planted, your plants may use up all of the N in your tank, and it may become necessary to supplement the N using fertilizer.

4. Phosphorus (P): the 2d of the 3 macro-nutrients. It occurs naturally in many water sources, and is also found in many foods and other organic material. It may be necessary to dose P in high light tanks where the plants are using up all available naturally occurring P. It occurs in the tank in the form of Phosphate, PO4... so you can get a phosphate test kit to check how much P your plants have available to use.

5. Potassium (K): The last of the 3 macro-nutrients. K doesn't occur naturally in much that is already in a standard tank. Most off the shelf aquarium fertilizers contain K (and not the other 2 macros). It is less harmful in large quantities, and almost any tank (from low to high) will benefit from the addition of a supplement that contains K.

The micro-nutrient or trace elements:

Plants also need other nutrients in much smaller quantities that are often referred to as micro-nutrients or trace elements. These include Iron (Fe), the most common trace element added, and a commonly available fertilizer. It also includes other elements, like Boron, Mg, etc.

Most ferts you find in your local fish store will be a liquid form that combines 1 or more of the nutrients I described above. Most serious FW Planted tank hobbyists prefer to dose each of the 4 categories above individually using dry fertilizers. You can buy enough dry fert to last years for a tank of your size for about $20-30. The liquid ferts sold in LFSs are very expensive in comparison, sometimes costing 20-70 times as much if you add up what you are getting per dose. Planted Aquarium Fertilizer - Home is a good source.

In addition to liquid dosing or dry dosing to the water column, there are also "root tabs" available that get "planted" in the substrate under the plants. They can do wonders for plants that are heavy root feeders. They contain 1 or more of the categories of ferts (N, P, K, or trace) I described above.

Wow! Thanks for all the info. I will read up on what I don't know. I do dose Excel, root tabs, and a liquid fert in my 20g tank.

As far as the new tank, I will add eco complete on the bottom layer and black sand on top. Is excel still needed if CO2 is added?
 
I like to dose excel sparingly even when injecting co2. It is not required though.
 
As far as knowing what to add in dry ferts, is that something I add based on how the tank/plants are doing? Or is there some way to know which nutrients are missing
 
There are many methods you can use to dose. Search for PPS Pro, target dosing, Estimative Index. These are three of the most common methods.
 
Yes I've been reading on PPS. I think I'm going to try the auto fert method. As far as CO2, will DIY do it until I can get canisters?
 
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