since i cant figure out what is going on with the neons ive decided just to get them out of the tank and transfer them to a 10gal QT...i have a 50 watt heater and an AC 20 for that tank but since its all brand new the QT is not cycled :? ...so i will be performing lots of water changes until they get better...or worse....i also started to lower the temp of the main tank to get it back up to normal...2 neons look really really thin...i look at them while feeding and they do get some food...and last night they were eating some of the algae wafers so i dont know why they are thin...no tummy at all...i added some melafix but didnt do anything at all...for the spots i mean...so ill wait and see what happens...