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Can you overfeed your fish? Sure you can when food remains uneaten. But will fish eat to excess?? I ask this because i have a neon tetra that has a bit of a belly on it. Much more so than the other 5. It seems to defend its food by chasing off the other fish. Is this normal?
 
It really depends on the species of fish. Neons aren't going to eat good off the bottom so anything that's making it down their is just wasted and tainting your water quality.
 
It really depends on the species of fish. Neons aren't going to eat good off the bottom so anything that's making it down their is just wasted and tainting your water quality.

My neons wont surface feed. They eat mid water and do feed from the bottom. Id love them to surface feed tho
 
Can you overfeed your fish? Sure you can when food remains uneaten. But will fish eat to excess?? I ask this because i have a neon tetra that has a bit of a belly on it. Much more so than the other 5. It seems to defend its food by chasing off the other fish. Is this normal?

Hello Sk...

Fish will continue to eat as long as food is available. They eat this way, because they don't know when the next meal will be available. They'll overeat to get them through the times when there may be nothing to eat.

Most fishkeepers believe fish need to eat daily, they don't. They feed too much and the fish get lazy and the extra food fouls the tank water. Aquarium fish can easily go a couple of weeks without food. In their natural living areas, fish are lucky to eat once a week.

I feed a variety of mostly frozen (no additives), a little freeze dried and very little flaked. I feed a little bit twice a week. If I have fry in the tank, I may add a feeding day for a while. The fish spend the time between feedings looking around for a leftover. They swim and stay healthy and their water stays cleaner too.

B
 
Hello Sk... Fish will continue to eat as long as food is available. They eat this way, because they don't know when the next meal will be available. They'll overeat to get them through the times when there may be nothing to eat. Most fishkeepers believe fish need to eat daily, they don't. They feed too much and the fish get lazy and the extra food fouls the tank water. Aquarium fish can easily go a couple of weeks without food. In their natural living areas, fish are lucky to eat once a week. I feed a variety of mostly frozen (no additives), a little freeze dried and very little flaked. I feed a little bit twice a week. If I have fry in the tank, I may add a feeding day for a while. The fish spend the time between feedings looking around for a leftover. They swim and stay healthy and their water stays cleaner too. B

Thanks for the advice. After what you have said, i do overfeed but not to the extent that theres leftovers on the substrate. As it was only 1 neon tetra out of 6 that looked large in the stomach, i wandered if perhaps the fish was in early stages of pregnancy?? Any thoughts? I tried to post pictures to show this
 
Cetainly the pictures appear to show a gravid female neon. None of the fish in your pics look overfed.

You need to consider wild fish. They swim around looking for food and taking small meals as and when they find it. If they occasionally come across a large food supply, they may eat until they appear gorged.... but they may regurtitate any excess, or pass it quickly through their system without digesting it properly - an obvious problem in an aquarium situation. In an aquarium, it is difficult to feed small enough amounts over long enough periods, so we have to feed when it fits into our daily lives. This may be once in the morning and once or twice in the evening for working aquarists.

As a carp farmer, my juvenile fish were grown indoors in tanks where an automated feeder dropped small portions of food regularly over a twelve hour period - far more natural than two or three large feeds. Carp are capable of taking their daily food requirements in 3 fifteen minute sittings, but they have a tremendously long gut to process the food slowly.

What this emphasises, is that different species will need different requirements. Some will need more food and be able to assimilate that in one or two small feeds, others will need smaller portions over a longer period.

I general, certainly for a community tank, the well documented regime of feeding as much as the fish can eat in around 2 or 3 minutes and repeating several times a day is certainly closer to a natural feeding pattern.

It is also vital to remember, large portions fed in one go will result in sudden spikes of ammonia as the fish process the food. Regular small feeds will result in staggered release of ammonia and a more effiicient filter.
 
Cetainly the pictures appear to show a gravid female neon. None of the fish in your pics look overfed. You need to consider wild fish. They swim around looking for food and taking small meals as and when they find it. If they occasionally come across a large food supply, they may eat until they appear gorged.... but they may regurtitate any excess, or pass it quickly through their system without digesting it properly - an obvious problem in an aquarium situation. In an aquarium, it is difficult to feed small enough amounts over long enough periods, so we have to feed when it fits into our daily lives. This may be once in the morning and once or twice in the evening for working aquarists. As a carp farmer, my juvenile fish were grown indoors in tanks where an automated feeder dropped small portions of food regularly over a twelve hour period - far more natural than two or three large feeds. Carp are capable of taking their daily food requirements in 3 fifteen minute sittings, but they have a tremendously long gut to process the food slowly. What this emphasises, is that different species will need different requirements. Some will need more food and be able to assimilate that in one or two small feeds, others will need smaller portions over a longer period. I general, certainly for a community tank, the well documented regime of feeding as much as the fish can eat in around 2 or 3 minutes and repeating several times a day is certainly closer to a natural feeding pattern. It is also vital to remember, large portions fed in one go will result in sudden spikes of ammonia as the fish process the food. Regular small feeds will result in staggered release of ammonia and a more effiicient filter.
I know nothing about fish breeding as the tank is only 5 weeks old and is my first. I think I've had the tetras for four weeks now and we're present as I cycled. Will a female tetra release an egg, eggs or live young? I've not had any spikes in ammonia since cycling the tank. I test every Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. 50% water change on the Sunday
 
Ammonia spikes would be shortly after feeding - don't worry, tiny fish release tiny amounts of ammonia. If you had fifty neons in a 15l tank and feeding one large feed, I would be concerned.

Neons lay eggs. They may spawn in your tank, but neons are tricky to raise as their eggs need to bee in darkness until they hatch. If she doesn't release her eggs, she should reabsorb them into her system... so she may go slimmer for a while and then plumper when she comes into breeding condition again, so don't be tempted to give her extra feed because she looks thinner !:)
 
Ammonia spikes would be shortly after feeding - don't worry, tiny fish release tiny amounts of ammonia. If you had fifty neons in a 15l tank and feeding one large feed, I would be concerned. Neons lay eggs. They may spawn in your tank, but neons are tricky to raise as their eggs need to bee in darkness until they hatch. If she doesn't release her eggs, she should reabsorb them into her system... so she may go slimmer for a while and then plumper when she comes into breeding condition again, so don't be tempted to give her extra feed because she looks thinner !:)
How do you sex tetras? Is there a tell tale sign of sex? Would the tetra look to find a dark place in the tank? As there are dark places under my rock and driftwood. I kind of made caves for the fish to hide in
 
Best way to sex them is by the plumpness of the female - slimmer fish are normally males. If a female is in breeding condition, then conditions must be right, so it stands to reason the males will be too.

It could be that the neons may spawn if conditions are right and if the dark spots are ok, you never know you may get babies, but again they can be tricky. Ideally, you need to research the breeding of any fish and set up correctly to give yourself the best chance of rearing any offspring. I don't have experience of breeding tetras, but have read many books and articles over 30 years of fishy experience :D
 
Best way to sex them is by the plumpness of the female - slimmer fish are normally males. If a female is in breeding condition, then conditions must be right, so it stands to reason the males will be too. It could be that the neons may spawn if conditions are right and if the dark spots are ok, you never know you may get babies, but again they can be tricky. Ideally, you need to research the breeding of any fish and set up correctly to give yourself the best chance of rearing any offspring. I don't have experience of breeding tetras, but have read many books and articles over 30 years of fishy experience :D
This is why I'm on this forum. I have 4 weeks experience of fish keeping lol. Well I must admit I didn't consider breeding. I kinda hope they don't spawn as I don't want a tank of tetras. But I guess it would be nice to say I've managed to produce conditions to breed
 
Well at least, as you say, your conditions are good, so congratulations on ledging as a fishkeepr ;)

I wouldn't worry about having a tank full of babies - as I said neons are tricky to rear and it is likely any fry would get eaten - eaten by their parents! Our hobby can be a brutal one hehehe.
 
Well at least, as you say, your conditions are good, so congratulations on ledging as a fishkeepr ;) I wouldn't worry about having a tank full of babies - as I said neons are tricky to rear and it is likely any fry would get eaten - eaten by their parents! Our hobby can be a brutal one hehehe.

I got 4 cherry barbs in there that Im sure would look for the easy meal lol. There's 6 Pygmy Cory's in there too but I wouldn't b worried about them eating them
 
Ok so a little ago i posted pics on this thread about a possible pregnant tetra. Today i found this!!!


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Is this fish eggs?? Its sticky and slimy with little white dots in. Im now an excited noobie fishkeeper
 
Ok so a little ago i posted pics on this thread about a possible pregnant tetra. Today i found this!!!

Is this fish eggs?? Its sticky and slimy with little white dots in. Im now an excited noobie fishkeeper

Thats looks like snail eggs.
 
I am pretty sure it is either ramshorn or pond snail eggs. Was this on the underside of a piece of decor or rock by any chance?
Well i bought two zebra nerites. I got a selection of random snails that were not noticed on mew live plants. One zebra nerite i suspect has died :( its not moving and has gone hard
 
Well i bought two zebra nerites. I got a selection of random snails that were not noticed on mew live plants. One zebra nerite i suspect has died :( its not moving and has gone hard

It is not nerite eggs. They lay single white eggs with no snot.
 
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