Wizzard~Of~Ozz
Aquarium Advice Addict
"Are you saying that your right to smoke outweighs my right to not have smoke in the air I have to breathe? What gives you more rights than I have?"
Nope, what I'm saying is what gives you the right to tell someone how they can run THIER business, what gives you the EXTRA rights to tell me I can't open a bar that allows people to smoke, because you might want to come in? If the shopkeeper decides he wants smokers to come in, and makes it a smoking establishment, then what gives you the right to force your will on him? so you can go where you like? sorry, he wasn't interested in your business in the first place.
"Are you suggesting that it is OK to have kids inhale second hand smoke because you have the "right" to blow it in their faces? You keep comparing smoke to hot dogs and cold air in the winter. What's your point in bringing those into the argument?"
No, I never said it was OK, but you ignorantly jammin hotdogs down my kids throat at a birthday party just increased his/her chances of gettin leukemia by 9x, so where do we draw the line about what's considered endangerment of children? and who has that right to draw lines?
"Are you consistent? Are you in favor of a person's right to smoke marijuana is his own home? To drive at whatever speed he wants on the highway? To play loud music in a train car? All of these would follow from your reasoning with respect to smoking, wouldn't they? "
If I went to a dance club, I would not have the right to complain, if I'm on the train, I WOULD since I'm in a public place that is necessity for me. (if a bar is a necessity for you then you have more issues then smoke). Driving what ever speed you want, well once again, i find your examples to include places people need to be, not places they choose to be, perhaps you have a hard time keeping the 2 seperate.
I'll use one of your examples.
Accidents at speeds of over 90KPH are far more likely to be fatal ones, and you feel your life is in danger everytime you go over that speed, so instead of staying on the back roads where you feel safe, you force the speedlimit reduced to 80 to suit your needs, even tho you only travel on the highway once a year. Not fair to people who don't have a problem.
at what point will we stop trying to protect everyone from everyone else? at what point is it your responsibility to take action on your own accord, if you don't like the speed, stay off the highway, if you don't like the smoke, stay out of the bar that says it contains smoke.
what gives you the right to expect the rest of the population to conform to what makes you feel comfortable.
"Again...How is you rights any greater than mine? "
and how are yours any greater then mine, you have a choice of entering a place or not, if I don't like the smell of McDonalds, I DON'T GO IN, if non-smokers used the same discresion, we wouldn't be having this debate.
and the relation between cigarette smoke and hot dogs, It's the same carcinogen that's found in both.
Nope, what I'm saying is what gives you the right to tell someone how they can run THIER business, what gives you the EXTRA rights to tell me I can't open a bar that allows people to smoke, because you might want to come in? If the shopkeeper decides he wants smokers to come in, and makes it a smoking establishment, then what gives you the right to force your will on him? so you can go where you like? sorry, he wasn't interested in your business in the first place.
"Are you suggesting that it is OK to have kids inhale second hand smoke because you have the "right" to blow it in their faces? You keep comparing smoke to hot dogs and cold air in the winter. What's your point in bringing those into the argument?"
No, I never said it was OK, but you ignorantly jammin hotdogs down my kids throat at a birthday party just increased his/her chances of gettin leukemia by 9x, so where do we draw the line about what's considered endangerment of children? and who has that right to draw lines?
"Are you consistent? Are you in favor of a person's right to smoke marijuana is his own home? To drive at whatever speed he wants on the highway? To play loud music in a train car? All of these would follow from your reasoning with respect to smoking, wouldn't they? "
If I went to a dance club, I would not have the right to complain, if I'm on the train, I WOULD since I'm in a public place that is necessity for me. (if a bar is a necessity for you then you have more issues then smoke). Driving what ever speed you want, well once again, i find your examples to include places people need to be, not places they choose to be, perhaps you have a hard time keeping the 2 seperate.
I'll use one of your examples.
Accidents at speeds of over 90KPH are far more likely to be fatal ones, and you feel your life is in danger everytime you go over that speed, so instead of staying on the back roads where you feel safe, you force the speedlimit reduced to 80 to suit your needs, even tho you only travel on the highway once a year. Not fair to people who don't have a problem.
at what point will we stop trying to protect everyone from everyone else? at what point is it your responsibility to take action on your own accord, if you don't like the speed, stay off the highway, if you don't like the smoke, stay out of the bar that says it contains smoke.
what gives you the right to expect the rest of the population to conform to what makes you feel comfortable.
"Again...How is you rights any greater than mine? "
and how are yours any greater then mine, you have a choice of entering a place or not, if I don't like the smell of McDonalds, I DON'T GO IN, if non-smokers used the same discresion, we wouldn't be having this debate.
and the relation between cigarette smoke and hot dogs, It's the same carcinogen that's found in both.
• N-nitroso compounds. Found in cigarette smoke, some medications and cosmetics,and cured meats, these chemicals induce brain cancer in experimental animals. Maternal ingestion of these compounds during pregnancy can increase the risk of childhood brain cancer and leukemia.