Hobgob
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Why are you only quoting me? In not the only one saying it seems rather drastic. Did you read caliban post? So to agrees it seems drastic.
This is not a balanced system, something is wrong. PH stability is something you should be aiming for over 24hrs. (The reason some reef keepers and in certain cases with freshwater fish, a counter lit refugium is set up) The fish don't like it!
You wouldn't drip a change like that? Small changes of nearly the same water adjusted towards the goal. It takes as long as it takes. The Bigger the difference or volume of water the longer the timeframe. To dilute alkaline water to neutral or acid (or the reverse of this) takes a massive amount of water (if you maintain balance)
If some parasites/bacteria survive for 70+ days how long do you quarantine for in an unmedicated tank? 2 days enough? 10 days maybe? The choice is yours.
So it's ok to get it wrong and try again if you want, it isn't criminal. Perhaps unethical to a point but it is ok.
I spent weeks adjusting the puffer, in this case it was more for the bacteria in the filter. His qt was the display as he is in a specimen only tank. Quicker transition would have been more work (& money) regarding water quality.
The longer I take the safer it is. The clowns took ages. To me they are valuable fish, I do not have money to waste.
I think discus were expensive, not sure on the price now as home breeding is more commonplace but a tank full will not be cheap, breeding pairs are not cheap. Would you add a fish to a tank of prized fish after dripping it for an hour?
Personally I would spend a month or so going over the fish in qt. sometimes this isn't possible (emergencies when you run out of room, sometimes we get maxed out)
For some strange reason particularly with long lived species, the older they get the more it cost to buy a similar sized replacement. Some fish are absurdly priced, a few pounds/dollars here and there is ok? What if you had a few grand in a pair of stingray?
I think the health of the animal whatever it is, should be the most important thing. The time it takes is irrelevant.
It happens.
Why are you only quoting me? In not the only one saying it seems rather drastic. Did you read caliban post? So to agrees it seems drastic.
It is possible to control. It is possible not to get swings from 6.5/7.8 or whatever that figure was. If this wasn't a problem people wouldn't talk about it.
I'm not sure what your issue is here?
Ask the man how many times I've quoted him elsewhere! Many more than with you here. Send him a pm.
I don't need to ask. It's ok lol calm down he was agreeing with me that's the only thing I said. Seemed like you were attacking me in my post
I never said that happend in an aquarium... I said the breeder tank was 7.8 which discus have bred in and you qt tank is 6.5.
I never said I had an issue I said in a planted tank a ph change is normal and you said it wasn't. I just put up some links showing you it does happen often. Now you say I have the issue?
Yeh a change of 0.3 seems important from something I have read but that does seem excessive.
I'm not saying the fish wouldn't appreciate a slower acclimatisation period but 5 days?
Don't be daft, I'd have to knock your door to attack you. (Not the first time this has happened, see Jen. I put it down to difference of vocabulary or something)
Possibly you're American or from elsewhere? Somewhere not England?
Read post 16.
You did say it happens and more wildly so.
Are there any scientific sources that support the .3 claim?
All I see is evidence that it is a myth. A lot of people call it an old wives tale.
I totally believe in TDS/osmotic shock and temperature shock but I still don't yet believe in "pH shock" (doesn't mean I shouldn't - I just have yet to see the science and you know me)
Nitrogenous waste activity really has no relevance in a cycled aquarium.I think pH shock is a misnomer. It is more likely the effect it has on nitrogenous waste toxicity, evident with fluctuating or different pH.
You know about the toxicity of ammonia nitrite and nitrate at different pH levels.
I know you know this!
So yes based on that, there is plenty of evidence.
Seems drastic. I couldn't see someone drip aclimating their discus purchased from 7.8 ph to their qt at 6.5 for 5 days.
Also in a planted tank you typically see changes like greater than this through out the day and night...
Nitrogenous waste activity really has no relevance in a cycled aquarium.