Hybridizing thoughts and should i?
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HUKIT
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Unless you woke up this morning and decided to single handily start the deterioration of a few different genus of fish then the answer is NO you shouldn't.
Creating hybrids is wrong. I agree that it can create some interesting and maybe some beautiful fish, but playing god to create you own and then just using your failures as feeders seems a little much for me to sit back and see how this thread runs.
I appreciate that there are already man made hybrids on the market, but would personally NEVER buy any of them. if hybrids happen naturally or by mistake in a mixed tank then I would say fair enough, let it live but never sell. But to personally pursue hybrids and do what your saying, kinda makes me angry. It's takes away from the pure breeds and is totally irresponsible! IMO . you have no idea of what defects may happen and the effects there of on the fish you create.( if this was not a family forum my words would be very much stronger!!!!!!)
It's wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I appreciate that there are already man made hybrids on the market, but would personally NEVER buy any of them. if hybrids happen naturally or by mistake in a mixed tank then I would say fair enough, let it live but never sell. But to personally pursue hybrids and do what your saying, kinda makes me angry. It's takes away from the pure breeds and is totally irresponsible! IMO . you have no idea of what defects may happen and the effects there of on the fish you create.( if this was not a family forum my words would be very much stronger!!!!!!)
It's wrong wrong wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BillD
Aquarium Advice Addict
I'm in total agreement with the above statements. I personally wouldn't buy a hybrid, and hate blood parrots and flowerhorns, as well as some of the other monstrosities out there.There are far too many interesting real fish out there, without messing with hybridization.
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bm5424
Aquarium Advice Activist
Ok. I can see what you mean. But I happen to enjoy the flowerhorns and blood parrots. I am against dyeing fish and tattooing but flowerhorns sell for quiet a bit. I think that hybridizing than breeding that fry can create something good. And it's not messing with God, it's like saying blacks, whites, Asians and so on shouldn't have children with each other
HUKIT
Aquarium Advice Addict
I could care less what you do or don't do in the privacy of your own home but when you start selling fish that effect everyone else that's where I have a problem. This is the perfect example of the butterfly effect which you sell your hyrbrids to someone who breeds and sells them or turns them into the local fish store, and someone purchases those fish unknowingly is how we have so many issues with certain genus of fish.
It's situations like this have wrecked a good number of genus, try to find a pure strain of Amphilophus citrinellus almost everything now is disgusting mix of amphilophus labiatus/citrinellus or midevil now is a better term. the next fish that is being effected is the Amphilophus trimaculatus, Vieja maculicauda and Vieja. bimaculatus being crossbred by so called hobbyist. I don't even need to comment on the swimming monstosity the flowerhorn or the blood parrot, these are fish that should be culled as well on a pure ethical point of view.
What you don't understand or if you do then need to rethink why you keep fish, but we are talking about tens of thousands of fish effecting generation after generation of fish and future fishkeepers. So for the brief time you decide to do this it will effect fish/people for years to come.
We have a obligation to fellow fishkeepers and a responsability to nature to ensure fish like this are culled in egg form, with ZERO oppurtunity to leave your home aquarium. Personally if your that selfish that you don't care about your fellow hobbyist then you have bigger issues you need to deal on a personal level and I feel sorry for you. That is not meant as a insult rather than some personal reflection of why you truly would consider a decision like this.
It's situations like this have wrecked a good number of genus, try to find a pure strain of Amphilophus citrinellus almost everything now is disgusting mix of amphilophus labiatus/citrinellus or midevil now is a better term. the next fish that is being effected is the Amphilophus trimaculatus, Vieja maculicauda and Vieja. bimaculatus being crossbred by so called hobbyist. I don't even need to comment on the swimming monstosity the flowerhorn or the blood parrot, these are fish that should be culled as well on a pure ethical point of view.
What you don't understand or if you do then need to rethink why you keep fish, but we are talking about tens of thousands of fish effecting generation after generation of fish and future fishkeepers. So for the brief time you decide to do this it will effect fish/people for years to come.
We have a obligation to fellow fishkeepers and a responsability to nature to ensure fish like this are culled in egg form, with ZERO oppurtunity to leave your home aquarium. Personally if your that selfish that you don't care about your fellow hobbyist then you have bigger issues you need to deal on a personal level and I feel sorry for you. That is not meant as a insult rather than some personal reflection of why you truly would consider a decision like this.
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bm5424
Aquarium Advice Activist
Hhmmmmmm. I totally disagree. Why don't you grant me some luck on my hybrids.
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bm5424
Aquarium Advice Activist
Out of all forums I've been on this is the worst most unhelpful of all.
HUKIT
Aquarium Advice Addict
You have the audacity to ask for opinions and when it doesn't go the direction you hoped your blaming for people for being unhelpful and insult the forum, time to grow up and have a discussion like a adult.
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Cornstar
Aquarium Advice FINatic
bm5424 said:
I think people are actually being really helpful but because they are not saying what you want to hear you deem it as useless.
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bm5424
Aquarium Advice Activist
Not my reasoning.
johnnteresa
Aquarium Advice Regular
If you are keeping these fish for yourself do it.
But you should never try selling them as pure strain.
I personally am going to try and breed my jag and JD.
And do not care what anybody has to say about it.
But you should never try selling them as pure strain.
I personally am going to try and breed my jag and JD.
And do not care what anybody has to say about it.
DragonFish71
Great white snark
Keep the replies civil please and no insulting each other. This could be a good debate thread, I'd hate to see it get shut down.
mfdrookie516
Aquarium Free - 2+ Years
So you ask for opinions... then make it clear that you only want people to reply if they are in favor of your frankenfish?
That's unfortunate... being that accepting advice is a difficult thing to do
Freakgecko91
Aquarium Advice Addict
bm5424 said:
This is not true. All the skin colors are of the same species, homo sapiens, where as the fishy you mentioned aren't even in the same genus! If someone told me they were going to cross a gold German ram and a normal German ram (mikrogeophagus ramirezi) I wouldn't really think twice. Or an orange flash apistogramma cacatuoides with a super red (although I'd advise against it). This comment is referring to COLOR, not SPECIES! Especially two species that don't naturally hybridize in the wild! Another point everyone has looked past is you want to breed a hybrid, to make a hybrid!? Parrots already can't close they're mouths all the way due to genetic defects from hybridization, why make it any worse?
And also, your title reads "hybridizing thoughts and SHOULD I?". You asked, everyone answered more than fairly! And I believe Hukit was very thorough and realistic, not rude. When it comes to the welfare of a living creature, don't chose to be ignorant to those trying to help you.
bcurlacher54
Aquarium Advice Freak
i dont think its up to you, its more up to the fish. plus if they fish decide they want to theres not much you can do about it. BUT i dont think you should sell them. my fish have hybridized but none of them have made it past the fry stage. they get eaten as lil fishy treats i guess. only fry that have survived in my tank are auratus.
HUKIT
Aquarium Advice Addict
Leaving the decision to the fish is like letting a 5 year plan their own meals, of course it's going to be a bad choice. This is the responsibility of fish keepers like parents to make the choice that's in the best interest of the fish and fishkeepers alike.
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bcurlacher54
Aquarium Advice Freak
i made a typo..IT SHOULD SAY SHOULD NOT SELL THEM. NOT SELL THEM. NOT SELL THEM.
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