Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Freshwater > Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 01-11-2013, 12:09 PM   #1
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
40G Breeder Build - Advice Welcome!

Hey everybody! Over the last month, I have been buying supplies to put a live plant aquarium together. I am trying to decide on whether I should do co2 or not. I don't want to do the DIY co2 so opinions on co2 set ups are very much welcome. Are there drawbacks to co2? My tank has had water in it for 3 days now and is currently being fishless cycled with pure ammonia. Below is what I have set up-including the plants and fertilizers.

40G Breeder (36x18x16) with Glass Top
1 - Aquatic Life T5HO 2 Light (May buy another today)
Marine Land C220 Canister Filter
Aqueon 150w Submersible Heater
Tetra Whisper 40 Air Pump - 2 Small Air Stones
Eco-Complete Substrate

Anubias Nana - Assorted
Selaginella Willdenowii - Peacock Fern
Eleocharis acicularis - Dwarf Hairgrass
Hygrophilia Difformis - Water Wisteria
Ophiopogon Japonica - Kyoto
Trichomanes Javanicum - Aqua Fern
Spathiphyllum Wallisii - Umbrella Plant

I am adding Seachem Flourish fertilizer twice a week. Should I do more or less?
I also put 6 API Root Tabs in the substrate.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0247.jpg
Views:	251
Size:	218.1 KB
ID:	143440

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0253.jpg
Views:	410
Size:	231.6 KB
ID:	143441

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0256.jpg
Views:	298
Size:	236.0 KB
ID:	143442

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0251.jpg
Views:	233
Size:	251.9 KB
ID:	143446
__________________

__________________
FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 03:00 PM   #2
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,245
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankAbagnale View Post
Hey everybody! Over the last month, I have been buying supplies to put a live plant aquarium together. I am trying to decide on whether I should do co2 or not. I don't want to do the DIY co2 so opinions on co2 set ups are very much welcome. Are there drawbacks to co2? My tank has had water in it for 3 days now and is currently being fishless cycled with pure ammonia. Below is what I have set up-including the plants and fertilizers.

40G Breeder (36x18x16) with Glass Top
1 - Aquatic Life T5HO 2 Light (May buy another today)
Marine Land C220 Canister Filter
Aqueon 150w Submersible Heater
Tetra Whisper 40 Air Pump - 2 Small Air Stones
Eco-Complete Substrate

Anubias Nana - Assorted
Selaginella Willdenowii - Peacock Fern
Eleocharis acicularis - Dwarf Hairgrass
Hygrophilia Difformis - Water Wisteria
Ophiopogon Japonica - Kyoto
Trichomanes Javanicum - Aqua Fern
Spathiphyllum Wallisii - Umbrella Plant

I am adding Seachem Flourish fertilizer twice a week. Should I do more or less?
I also put 6 API Root Tabs in the substrate.

Attachment 143440

Attachment 143441

Attachment 143442

Attachment 143446
I cannot really advise on the co2 as I am too lazy to go to all that trouble myself (lol) but I can tell you that peacock fern is not aquatic and will die if submerged. Nice looking tank though!
__________________

__________________
God is amazing. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding is everywhere
African Leaf Fish Tank Build
GodFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 03:47 PM   #3
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
Yeah I've taken it out already. That's what I get for buying a tubed plant.
__________________
FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 03:49 PM   #4
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,245
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankAbagnale View Post
Yeah I've taken it out already. That's what I get for buying a tubed plant.
lol I almost did the same thing with the same plant. It is cool looking.
__________________
God is amazing. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding is everywhere
African Leaf Fish Tank Build
GodFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 04:03 PM   #5
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Rivercats's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 13,146
Trichomanes Javanicum (peacock fern), Spathiphyllum Wallisii (peace lily), and Ophiopogon Japonica (mondo grass) are all bog plants and not true aquatic plants. As for CO2 it's not absolutely necessary but using either CO2 or liquid carbon like Seachems Excel will aid in plant photosynthesis and growth. You should also get some type of fertilizer such as Seachems Comprehensive. And one more thing... if you take the dwarf hair grass out and split each one into at least 4 or more smaller pieces and then replant those small pieces in a checkerboard pattern you will get much faster growth and spreading from them.
__________________
Rivercats 220g planted tank
Rivercats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 04:09 PM   #6
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
Thanks for the info Rivercats! My lfs just got a shipment of plants in today. I bought some more DH and checkered it. The picture from above was one that I separated into three clumps. I'm going to go back in a couple hours and pick up some other plants. Should I take the Trichomanes Javanicum, Spathiphyllum Wallisii, and Ophiopogon Japonica out of the tank. No point leaving it if it's going to die right?

I have both Flourish comprehensive and excel. Should I add just as the bottles say? Once or twice a week?
__________________
FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 04:18 PM   #7
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Rivercats's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 13,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankAbagnale View Post
Thanks for the info Rivercats! My lfs just got a shipment of plants in today. I bought some more DH and checkered it. The picture from above was one that I separated into three clumps. I'm going to go back in a couple hours and pick up some other plants. Should I take the Trichomanes Javanicum, Spathiphyllum Wallisii, and Ophiopogon Japonica out of the tank. No point leaving it if it's going to die right?

I have both Flourish comprehensive and excel. Should I add just as the bottles say? Once or twice a week?
I'd remove them and pot them for the house. And just watch even fish stores sell bog plants that aren't fully aquatic. Excel should be dosed daily as if only stays in solution 12-24 hours before being totally broken down in water. Dose the comprehensive as directed.
__________________
Rivercats 220g planted tank
Rivercats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 04:41 PM   #8
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
Awesome. Thank you again for the advice! So would you recommend I just do some Jungle Val in one of the corners? Any suggestions on other background plants or even mid ground? I thought some Rotala Rotundifolia would be cool.
__________________
FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 04:50 PM   #9
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Rivercats's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 13,146
I wouldn't do Jungle Val as it just gets way too large for a tank that small. Corkscrew Val would be much better suited and can tolerate liquid carbon without melting like Jungle Val does. The rotala is a good choice as would crypts, a single sword plant, dwarf sag, a single red tiger lotus (for non-green color), bacopa, and ludwigia are all suitable.
__________________
Rivercats 220g planted tank
Rivercats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 05:06 PM   #10
Aquarium Advice Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1
Re: Tiger Lotus

I thought those were HTG plants? Also, are the safe to grow in a 10 gallon or will they grow too big?
__________________
cgm246@yahoo.com-email
cgm246-yahoo IM
CGM246 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 06:55 PM   #11
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Rivercats's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 13,146
Red tiger lotus is one of the very few non-green plants that can be grown in lower light. Plus you can trim leaves to keep it the size you want. I trim on mine alot to keep it in the space I want.
__________________
Rivercats 220g planted tank
Rivercats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2013, 11:05 AM   #12
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
I accidentally added this to my other thread, but thought it may get more attention here. I apologize ahead of time for that...

Does anyone have some experience with Tiger Barbs? I think it would be cool to have 5 or 6, but I don't want a Tiger Barb only tank. Any recommendations? I need to keep in mind that I have live plants and don't want them torn up either.

Also, I added some Cabomba and some crypts. I was worried about the Cabomba, but it's looking really well. Cool to see it close up and open up with the lights.

I'll just add, my tank has not cycled yet so I won't be adding fish until it does!
FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2013, 12:11 PM   #13
AA Team Emeritus
 
Wy Renegade's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 4,754
I've been told that one shouldn't run air and CO2 together, as the airstones will cause the CO2 to gas off, and raises pH. Not sure how accurate that is, but just thought I would mention it as you appear to be running both.
__________________
the Bog

"Listen to some of these guys talk, and it's like they were born from their momma's belly with a fishkeeping encyclopedia in one hand and an API kit in the other" (unrevealed).
Wy Renegade is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2013, 12:21 PM   #14
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
I'm not running co2 right now, but I have thought about it. I don't want to mess with the DIY co2.
FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2013, 04:58 PM   #15
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Rivercats's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 13,146
You can run CO2 or use a liquid carbon like Excel, API CO2 Booster, or Glutaraldehyde which you would dose daily.
__________________
Rivercats 220g planted tank
Rivercats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2013, 05:09 PM   #16
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
Oh I apologize. I am dosing Excel daily and Comprehensive weekly.
FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2013, 08:04 PM   #17
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
Changed a few plants around and added another piece of driftwood on the right side. Kinda hard to see, but there is a tunnel/cave on the bottom of the new driftwood.

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0279.jpg
Views:	145
Size:	250.3 KB
ID:	145200

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0280.jpg
Views:	129
Size:	257.9 KB
ID:	145201

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0281.jpg
Views:	131
Size:	258.4 KB
ID:	145202

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0284.jpg
Views:	127
Size:	261.2 KB
ID:	145203
__________________
FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2013, 03:59 PM   #18
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
Updated

Just updated the tank a bit. Added a few plants, took some out, you know the drill. What I'm really wanting is....a jungle. It will surely change more over time.

Full Frontal
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0297.jpg
Views:	112
Size:	256.2 KB
ID:	148903

Left Side
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0302.jpg
Views:	110
Size:	269.1 KB
ID:	148904

Center
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0303.jpg
Views:	109
Size:	270.6 KB
ID:	148905

Right Side
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0305.jpg
Views:	108
Size:	267.3 KB
ID:	148906


Plant List
  • Hygrophila difformis (Water Wisteria)
  • Cabomba caroliniana (Green Cabomba)
  • Rotala indica
  • Lilaeopsis novae-zelandiae (Micro Sword)
  • Eleocharis acicularis (Dwarf Hairgrass)
  • Hemianthus callitrichoides (Dwarf Baby Tears)
  • Alternanthera reineckii (Telanthera)
  • Cryptocoryne wendtii v. 'bronze'
  • Cryptocoryne wendtii v. 'red'
  • Cryptocoryne spiralis (Spiralis)
  • Flame Moss
FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2013, 04:42 PM   #19
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Rivercats's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 13,146
The tank looks good and you will have a jungle once it grows in!
__________________
Rivercats 220g planted tank
Rivercats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2013, 09:12 AM   #20
Aquarium Advice Freak
 
FrankAbagnale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 230
Broke down and ordered a Milwaukee Co2 Regulator and some ferts for PPS-Pro method. I think having a good micro and macro schedule is going to make a nice difference in my plant health.

Rivercats - Hoping you can help me with the PPS-Pro. Just add 4ml daily of each(40 gallon tank)? Im confused. Also, I did order 3 seperate dosing bottles just in case.
And.....There's always an and! I'm going to be in St. Louis all weekend. Any good LFS's with plants in your area?
__________________

FrankAbagnale is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
40 gallon, advice, breed, breeder, build

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off








» Photo Contest Winners







All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.