Wallace
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
Howdy,
I am fairly new here, but I have been keeping fish for many years so at least I hope I know what I am doing. Anyway, I have been wanting a denitrator and have sorted through many of the more common “coil denitrator” plans. There are lots of success stories, but very commonly I’ve heard people say they tend to cog up in a year or so especially when thinner tubing are used, and fine-tuning the flow rate could be a pain. Since the coil denitrator is not without its shortcomings, I thought to myself maybe there is a better way to do it.
That being said, first of all let me make sure my understanding of denitrator is correct. According to the various coil denitrator plans, it is really a two-stage design where in stage one the aerobic bacteria will deplete all the oxygen in the water through the normal nitrogen cycle, and then in stage two anaerobic bacteria will convert nitrate to nitrogen gas. The trick is to allow enough time for the oxygen to deplete and also enough time for the anaerobic bacteria to work out all the nitrates before the water is released back into the main tank.
With the above approach, my concept is that instead of using a “constant flow” design (aka coils), why not use a store-and-flush design? If I build a completely sealed acrylic box with one water intake and one water exhaust, fill it with bio balls (or one of those “BioSlab”) before I seal it, and then hook up a pump to it that regularly “flush” that “filter” (say, once a week), would it achieve the same result because the box would be filled with stagnent water in between flushes? Conceptually, if both type of bacteria can co-exist and stay alive inside the “box”, whenever fresh water enters the box (“flushed”), aerobic bacteria will begin consuming the oxygen in the water, depleting it. From there on, anaerobic bacteria take over and convert all nitrates into nitrogen gas. Once we know all nitrate has been consumed, we run the pump for maybe 3 minutes to flush the “box” - release water back into the sump and fill it with "fresh" nitrate-infested water, and the cycle begins again.
I am sure lots of minor detail will surface, for example how long it will take for the bacteria to colonize the filter or how frequent it should be flushed etc. But I think the bigger question is whether the two type of bacteria will live and coexist: whenever its flushed, will the fresh oxygen kill the anaerobic bacteria? And in the same token, once oxygen is depleted (and stay depleted for maybe days), will the aerobic bacteria stave and die? The hardware part is really easy, I can build it for less then $50. But it’s the biological life cycle of these two types of bacteria that I do not fully understand.
Do you think its possible? Am I out of my mind? Thoughts?
Thank you!
Wallace
I am fairly new here, but I have been keeping fish for many years so at least I hope I know what I am doing. Anyway, I have been wanting a denitrator and have sorted through many of the more common “coil denitrator” plans. There are lots of success stories, but very commonly I’ve heard people say they tend to cog up in a year or so especially when thinner tubing are used, and fine-tuning the flow rate could be a pain. Since the coil denitrator is not without its shortcomings, I thought to myself maybe there is a better way to do it.
That being said, first of all let me make sure my understanding of denitrator is correct. According to the various coil denitrator plans, it is really a two-stage design where in stage one the aerobic bacteria will deplete all the oxygen in the water through the normal nitrogen cycle, and then in stage two anaerobic bacteria will convert nitrate to nitrogen gas. The trick is to allow enough time for the oxygen to deplete and also enough time for the anaerobic bacteria to work out all the nitrates before the water is released back into the main tank.
With the above approach, my concept is that instead of using a “constant flow” design (aka coils), why not use a store-and-flush design? If I build a completely sealed acrylic box with one water intake and one water exhaust, fill it with bio balls (or one of those “BioSlab”) before I seal it, and then hook up a pump to it that regularly “flush” that “filter” (say, once a week), would it achieve the same result because the box would be filled with stagnent water in between flushes? Conceptually, if both type of bacteria can co-exist and stay alive inside the “box”, whenever fresh water enters the box (“flushed”), aerobic bacteria will begin consuming the oxygen in the water, depleting it. From there on, anaerobic bacteria take over and convert all nitrates into nitrogen gas. Once we know all nitrate has been consumed, we run the pump for maybe 3 minutes to flush the “box” - release water back into the sump and fill it with "fresh" nitrate-infested water, and the cycle begins again.
I am sure lots of minor detail will surface, for example how long it will take for the bacteria to colonize the filter or how frequent it should be flushed etc. But I think the bigger question is whether the two type of bacteria will live and coexist: whenever its flushed, will the fresh oxygen kill the anaerobic bacteria? And in the same token, once oxygen is depleted (and stay depleted for maybe days), will the aerobic bacteria stave and die? The hardware part is really easy, I can build it for less then $50. But it’s the biological life cycle of these two types of bacteria that I do not fully understand.
Do you think its possible? Am I out of my mind? Thoughts?
Thank you!
Wallace