Emersed growth advice?
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rich311k
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Looking good CZCZ. This is such a cool idea.
Xzap
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Way to go CZ !
dave
dave
Thanks guys.
Crypt wendtii
Pogostemon stellata narrow leaf. I had a stem floating in my natural sunlit tank and it shed, then put out growth above the surface. I took that part of the stem and put it where L. repens failed, and interestingly it is growing.
Here is lucidcentral page on it. Pretty cool: http://www.lucidcentral.com/keys/APPW/html/pogostemon_images.html
I had hoped humidity of water flow would be enough, but everything seems to grow better with daily misting.
Crypt wendtii
Pogostemon stellata narrow leaf. I had a stem floating in my natural sunlit tank and it shed, then put out growth above the surface. I took that part of the stem and put it where L. repens failed, and interestingly it is growing.
Here is lucidcentral page on it. Pretty cool: http://www.lucidcentral.com/keys/APPW/html/pogostemon_images.html
I had hoped humidity of water flow would be enough, but everything seems to grow better with daily misting.
Just an update.
As mentioned earlier I have no mechanical filtration between the main and this tank and think it may be contributing to the ugly going on. I need to get the moss going on the concrete for some pretty.
The crypts in the bottom section are growing from different spots and dying at the same rate. I have begun a more traditional emersed culture setup using natural sunlight to make sure this is not because of the layout and lack of drainage:
Higher up with faster flow they do not get far from this plantlet stage:
P. stellata narrow leaf likes it though:
Anubias barterii var nana petite seems to too: three new leaves in only a short time. Submerged section has Juncus repens, Crypt sp, and Polygonom sp.
As mentioned earlier I have no mechanical filtration between the main and this tank and think it may be contributing to the ugly going on. I need to get the moss going on the concrete for some pretty.
The crypts in the bottom section are growing from different spots and dying at the same rate. I have begun a more traditional emersed culture setup using natural sunlight to make sure this is not because of the layout and lack of drainage:
Higher up with faster flow they do not get far from this plantlet stage:
P. stellata narrow leaf likes it though:
Anubias barterii var nana petite seems to too: three new leaves in only a short time. Submerged section has Juncus repens, Crypt sp, and Polygonom sp.
aquafreak
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Completely wonderful! Enjoyed the pics 
travis simonson
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Well it sure looks like the Anubias and Pogostemon like emersed culture. I'm surprised the Crypts aren't just flourishing, it really looks like a perfect environment for them. I'll bet they start thriving soon
After all this time, here are my two most succesful emersed crypts.
They just stay at this state. I am disconnecting the project and washing it down(its gross looking), and will continue with the experiment by exploring fish-safe potting mixes from experienced aquarists, but suspect emersed growth is simply too advanced for me. I may start trying bog plants next.
They just stay at this state. I am disconnecting the project and washing it down(its gross looking), and will continue with the experiment by exploring fish-safe potting mixes from experienced aquarists, but suspect emersed growth is simply too advanced for me. I may start trying bog plants next.
travis simonson
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That's a shame Joe. I'm wondering if the flowing water didn't have something to do with the lack of growth. It's strange that Crypts thrive in those kinds of conditions in the wild though. Keep working on new ideas though. I really like the concept you've got there. Sooner or later you'll find something that works 
greenmaji
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have you torn it down yet?
Ive been told by my grandmother that to get moss to grow up on rock and well anything the trick is buttermilk/water solution (yea kinda gross sounding) she said that the % really isnt important.
shade and high humidity also being important.
I have no idea if I told you that already and if I did opps..
Ive been told by my grandmother that to get moss to grow up on rock and well anything the trick is buttermilk/water solution (yea kinda gross sounding) she said that the % really isnt important.
shade and high humidity also being important.
I have no idea if I told you that already and if I did opps..
I took it down, rinsed it off, and put it back. Still only trying aquatic plants though considering getting some bog plants next time I go to the LFS.
GM,. nope, you had not told me about the buttermilk thing. I am up for trying it outside the tank. (The water column in this tank is shared by fish and inverts.) Do you mind asking your grandmother if she knows why the buttermilk and water work so well?
Thanks.
GM,. nope, you had not told me about the buttermilk thing. I am up for trying it outside the tank. (The water column in this tank is shared by fish and inverts.) Do you mind asking your grandmother if she knows why the buttermilk and water work so well?
Thanks.
greenmaji
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she told me it was the natural bacteria was some kind of food source. she learned it in her master gardneing classes at purdue. She might have used it over the years, Im not sure, I dont get to talk to her much anymore (she lives up by Chicago..)
Making progress. Those two crypts from above. Maybe C. walkerii?
Still ugly, but java moss is really attaching to the concrete
Moved in L. repens "Rubin" last week, and its grown ~2" all emersed! I'm tying to get Stargrass to follow it out of the water
I moved submersed C. wendtii into a new planting pocket I thought I had killed R. rotundifolia in months ago, and now R. rotundifolia is peeking up around it.
My dosing is esentially the same as its always been, save for a little lower N and no longer dosing Excel in my trace mix. I wonder if it has something to do with it, or if I'm just having a little better luck after hosing down the structure.
Still ugly, but java moss is really attaching to the concrete
Moved in L. repens "Rubin" last week, and its grown ~2" all emersed! I'm tying to get Stargrass to follow it out of the water
I moved submersed C. wendtii into a new planting pocket I thought I had killed R. rotundifolia in months ago, and now R. rotundifolia is peeking up around it.
My dosing is esentially the same as its always been, save for a little lower N and no longer dosing Excel in my trace mix. I wonder if it has something to do with it, or if I'm just having a little better luck after hosing down the structure.
travis simonson
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Oh, I'm anxious to see these plants develop. Very cool Joe
Slowly but surely.
With the main tank
I have not grown anything successfully where the water flows fastest, and just ended up sticking a bunch of trims and hope something grows.
Right side with Java moss, Crypt walkerii (?), and Hydrocotyle sp.
The Java moss is growing up the sides without training it.
My only successful crypt. I do not know what it is.
C. wendtii.
H. leucocephala
P. palustris aka "Mermaid weed"
Older pics of L. repens "Rubin"
The structure kind of acts like a wet/dry, and so is very messy with plant matter from the main. I did not intentionally plant M. tenerum here and have not spread it around. Now everywhere there's a water fall, there's M. tenerum. The red plant is L. repens "Rubin"
Didn't plant the M. umbrosum here either. I think it came from the mass of plants I dumped "upstream" a month or so ago.
I thought I got rid of all my Riccia over six months ago and never put it in the paludarium section. Didn't notice this until today.
I think this is R. rotundifolia
So I am not having much success but have hope. I am now spraying once a week with a weak solution of KNO3 and KH2PO4. The water column is ~10ppm NO3, ~3ppm PO4, >40ppm K, 2mL TMG 3*week, 4 dkH, 6.4 pH, >40ppm CO2, 50% water change weekly. Suggestions appreciated.
With the main tank
I have not grown anything successfully where the water flows fastest, and just ended up sticking a bunch of trims and hope something grows.
Right side with Java moss, Crypt walkerii (?), and Hydrocotyle sp.
The Java moss is growing up the sides without training it.
My only successful crypt. I do not know what it is.
C. wendtii.
H. leucocephala
P. palustris aka "Mermaid weed"
Older pics of L. repens "Rubin"
The structure kind of acts like a wet/dry, and so is very messy with plant matter from the main. I did not intentionally plant M. tenerum here and have not spread it around. Now everywhere there's a water fall, there's M. tenerum. The red plant is L. repens "Rubin"
Didn't plant the M. umbrosum here either. I think it came from the mass of plants I dumped "upstream" a month or so ago.
I thought I got rid of all my Riccia over six months ago and never put it in the paludarium section. Didn't notice this until today.
I think this is R. rotundifolia
So I am not having much success but have hope. I am now spraying once a week with a weak solution of KNO3 and KH2PO4. The water column is ~10ppm NO3, ~3ppm PO4, >40ppm K, 2mL TMG 3*week, 4 dkH, 6.4 pH, >40ppm CO2, 50% water change weekly. Suggestions appreciated.
Looking good. The M. tenerum will spread everywhere overtime. I placed it in my "prefilter" side in my tank. I stays misted and high humidity. It has crept and covered the top filter and has started to cover the dividers in that section of the tank.
Sounds neat. I am thinking about pulling all of it off, separting the Java moss, and them putting M tenerum back in those sections. I think the structure will be more attractive that way. Does your emersed M. tenerum fluff out or stay pretty flat?
BlazerFRS
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All the work is starting to pay off! Nice work czcz;
There's something like this floating around in my head as well... someday
There's something like this floating around in my head as well... someday
So far it is flat, it has formed about a 1/2 inch thick blanket over the prefilter. I took most of it out of my tank because of that cursed stuff (java moss). Only time it fluffed out was when grown in the tank. Made a very nice mound but then java moss got all entangled in it so I will start over in the tank with "java free" stuff.
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