jaydro
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
I'm a newbie--got a 25 gal Eclipse show combo for Christmas. I've also been strongly influenced by The Simple Guide to Freshwater Aquariums by David Boruchowitz, which was given to me along with the aquarium. I've also been reading about everything else I can, and I've discovered that there is a lot of conflicting advice when it comes to aquariums.
Anyway, when one of Boruchowitz's beginning stocking schemes included angelfish (for a 29 gal, but I thought I'd scale it down a little and get away with it), I was excited. I didn't think angelfish were for beginners. And indeed, other sources say they're not, while others, notably the Aquarium USA annual mag, say they're great for beginners.
So I cycled with a couple of marigold swag swordtails (who I thought were going to kill each other at one point--the female after being harassed a bit too much bit the male's tail off and had him cowering in my plastic plants for a week; I realized I would have to add a second female, which I did when I gave up on ever seeing the nitrites go down and sprung for some Bio-Spira from the Fish Store online), added three panda cories (the smallest cories I could find, and I had no idea how seemingly rare they are when I found them at my lfs, Triangle Tropical Fish), and I thought I was ready for angelfish!
I never saw any angelfish that interested me, and in some cases I didn't see any at all, at the lfs's, so I picked out a couple of marbled ones that were hanging out together at PetsMart. The salesdroid acted like she didn't want to sell them to me, warning me that they didn't go with swordtails (there goes conflicting advice again), that keeping them in a 25 gal tank would shorten their lives, and that they required careful acclimation--I would need to punch holes in the bag to let the bag water mix with my tank water. Another salesdroid overheard this and told me that punching holes in the bag really didn't help mix the water--just do the normal acclimation, but slowly.
I had read a lot about angelfish, so I thought I was ready.
And then two days later they were both dead.
They seemed to be doing okay, but then the second morning they were both becoming listless. One had been eating, but I never saw the other one eat. My water was fine, as far as I knew: 0's on ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, and 7.0 pH. Maybe there was something else I was missing, maybe there was something wrong with them before I got them, but I think what killed them was my Eclipse hood.
The swordtails and cories loved my tank, and I never noticed how fast the water was flowing until the angelfish showed that they were suffering that second morning. I realized then that the turbulence from having the outflow go out diagonally across the water surface (my attempt at maximum oxygenation for my deep tank) might be too much for the angels. I changed the outflow direction to go parallel to the short side of the tank, and I did an online search--yeah, angelfish don't like turbulence.
Duh.
I started considering what to do--ditch my Eclipse hood for now and get an HOB filter? Try leaving my filter with the more gentle outflow position and add an airline somehow to aid oxygenation? But before I could do anything the angelfish had expired.
It really upset me that I thought I had done the research, and then the salesdroid had warned me about other issues, but nowhere had I found mention of the sensitivity to turbulent filtration that angelfish have--until after I had discovered it myself.
So, should I just give up on angelfish with this tank? I know it was probably marginal putting them in a 25 gal anyway, but, but.... When you've got a tall tank you kinda want some tall fish.
Any comments on Eclipse hoods and angelfish?
Anyway, when one of Boruchowitz's beginning stocking schemes included angelfish (for a 29 gal, but I thought I'd scale it down a little and get away with it), I was excited. I didn't think angelfish were for beginners. And indeed, other sources say they're not, while others, notably the Aquarium USA annual mag, say they're great for beginners.
So I cycled with a couple of marigold swag swordtails (who I thought were going to kill each other at one point--the female after being harassed a bit too much bit the male's tail off and had him cowering in my plastic plants for a week; I realized I would have to add a second female, which I did when I gave up on ever seeing the nitrites go down and sprung for some Bio-Spira from the Fish Store online), added three panda cories (the smallest cories I could find, and I had no idea how seemingly rare they are when I found them at my lfs, Triangle Tropical Fish), and I thought I was ready for angelfish!
I never saw any angelfish that interested me, and in some cases I didn't see any at all, at the lfs's, so I picked out a couple of marbled ones that were hanging out together at PetsMart. The salesdroid acted like she didn't want to sell them to me, warning me that they didn't go with swordtails (there goes conflicting advice again), that keeping them in a 25 gal tank would shorten their lives, and that they required careful acclimation--I would need to punch holes in the bag to let the bag water mix with my tank water. Another salesdroid overheard this and told me that punching holes in the bag really didn't help mix the water--just do the normal acclimation, but slowly.
I had read a lot about angelfish, so I thought I was ready.
And then two days later they were both dead.
They seemed to be doing okay, but then the second morning they were both becoming listless. One had been eating, but I never saw the other one eat. My water was fine, as far as I knew: 0's on ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, and 7.0 pH. Maybe there was something else I was missing, maybe there was something wrong with them before I got them, but I think what killed them was my Eclipse hood.
The swordtails and cories loved my tank, and I never noticed how fast the water was flowing until the angelfish showed that they were suffering that second morning. I realized then that the turbulence from having the outflow go out diagonally across the water surface (my attempt at maximum oxygenation for my deep tank) might be too much for the angels. I changed the outflow direction to go parallel to the short side of the tank, and I did an online search--yeah, angelfish don't like turbulence.
Duh.
I started considering what to do--ditch my Eclipse hood for now and get an HOB filter? Try leaving my filter with the more gentle outflow position and add an airline somehow to aid oxygenation? But before I could do anything the angelfish had expired.
It really upset me that I thought I had done the research, and then the salesdroid had warned me about other issues, but nowhere had I found mention of the sensitivity to turbulent filtration that angelfish have--until after I had discovered it myself.
So, should I just give up on angelfish with this tank? I know it was probably marginal putting them in a 25 gal anyway, but, but.... When you've got a tall tank you kinda want some tall fish.
Any comments on Eclipse hoods and angelfish?