One of my Discus hitting the glass and keep up !

[Rjaber77]

Hi Friends,

Some of my Discus swimming not fast and hitting the tank glass
I also noticed one of them stay up and not care when i touch her !
I feel she is dying !

Staying up: Is this sign of less oxygen ! ?

Please advise me guys !



Thanks .,
Raed
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[Rjaber77]

By the way, I am not using any Air bubbles blower
I hope this fine !

Thanks .,
Raed
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[molliwopp]

What are your water parameters? Do you have any form of surface aggitation to get oxygen into the water?
How long have they been in the tank?

 

[Rjaber77]

What are your water parameters? Do you have any form of surface aggitation to get oxygen into the water? How long have they been in the tank?

Hi Molliwopp,

Frankly since two weeks I minimize the water agitation at all !
I was thinking till today it is good to keep the water calm !
But once I noticed the Discuss trying to reach the top surface and swimming like drunk, I change the water flow and make big agitation 3 hours ago ! I hope this solve the problem !

They have been since I brought them hmmmmm
Two weeks I think

(Today morning I found one of them death)

Is water agitation causing the needed Oxygen ?

One more question,
One if my discus color become brown! Is this stress or sick !


Thanks
Raed
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[molliwopp]

Youve got huge problems. I hate to say it but they may die as discus are super sensitive fish and are NOT for beginners.

Do you have a way of testing the water for at the very least ammonia and nitrite?

Did you cycle the tank before adding these fish?

What size tank are they in and how many fish total do you have in it?

You should do a 50% water change right now ASAP! Or the rest will follow the same path of the one you found this morning.

Brown is a sign of stess.

 

[Rjaber77]

Youve got huge problems. They may die as discus are super sensitive fish. Do you have a way of testing the water? Is the tank that theyre in cycled? What size tank are they in and how many fish total do you have in it? You should do a 50% water change right now.

Wait wait !

My tank age are almost three months
It's well cycled
It's 120 liter 31 Gallons

Phosphate level on 7.5 I don't know how to minimize it to 6 or 6.5 !
I am doing weekly water change 50%

I am using CO2 also for plants,

I purchased those small discus two weeks back only they are small not big

Before one of the discuss ha ICH but I treat the tank and heal all the tank from the ICH

I will attach some pics for u !



Thanks
Raed
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[Rjaber77]

The only two fishes bigger than discus is the Angel fish
One of them are little aggressive, other one is cool !

Other fishes I have are smaller than the discus

 

[molliwopp]

Ok, Its not as cut and drawn as i first thought. But for starters, you have way too many fish in your rio125

I see youve cut out the internal filter so what filter are you now using?

Do you have a testing kit for ammonia and nitrite? 3 months isnt a very long time at all. I still insist its not fully cycled and youve added the discus far too soon and too many in one go.

A ph (per hydrogen) of 7 will not be the problem.

If you dont have a water testing kit you NEED one, without one you have noway of knowing if the cycle is indeed finished. Without being able to test and therefore not knowing your water parameters you should preform a 40% minimum water change as its the first line of defense any fish keeper should do when not being able to diagnose a problem.

 

[Rjaber77]

Ok, Its not as cut and drawn as i first thought. But for starters, you have way too many fish in your rio125 I see youve cut out the internal filter so what filter are you now using? Do you have a testing kit for ammonia and nitrite? 3 months isnt a very long time at all. I still insist its not fully cycled and youve added the discus far too soon and too many in one go. A ph (per hydrogen) of 7 will not be the problem. If you dont have a water testing kit you NEED one, without one you have noway of knowing if the cycle is indeed finished. Without being able to test and therefore not knowing your water parameters you should preform a 40% minimum water change as its the first line of defense any fish keeper should do when not being able to diagnose a problem.

I have canister very very good one, I do not remember the brand

Yes I don't have ammonia and nitrites test kit as they told me I don't need them in the fresh water !
But will buy them very soon

I didn't cut the filter (canister) !

Excuse me for my English of I couldn't deliver my message very well
I am Jordanian living in Saudi and unfortunately no experts here in Saudi to guide me correctly

What do u advice as immediate action ?


Thanks
Raed
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[Rjaber77]

And yes I have so many fish I think
But they are small !

Isn't good to see mix of fishes ?
Discus 5
Angel fish 2
Clown loach 2
Upside down catfish 3
Cavauir Bishir 1
Barb 2
Tiny tetra 2
Dwarf gourami 2
Gubby 1
And another small thee fishes those phosphoric all color ones

 

[molliwopp]

No i mean the tank you have comes with a filter built into one of the corners. Im guessing you bought it of somebody that had it before you and they removed it.

Immediate action would be a large water change and a liquid test kit.

Canister: eheim? Fluval?

Yes a variety of fish is good but NOT in a rio125!!!!!!!!!! you have way way too many for 30 gallons of water and isnt anywhere near enough for the fish you have in the tank.

A pair of discus alone need 29gallons minimum, thats 2 discus.

 

[molliwopp]

Isn't good to see mix of fishes ?
Discus 5
Angel fish 2
Clown loach 2
Upside down catfish 3
Cavauir Bishir 1
Barb 2
Tiny tetra 2
Dwarf gourami 2
Gubby 1
And another small thee fishes those phosphoric all color ones

You are completely over stocked with way way way way way too many fish and the problems are going to become worse. Clown loaches shouldnt even be in a 30gallon tank.

These problems wont go away and will only get worse as the fish grow and will most certainly end with more deaths.

 

[Rjaber77]

You are completely over stocked with way way way way way too many fish and the problems are going to become worse. Clown loaches shouldnt even be in a 30gallon tank. These problems wont go away and will only get worse as the fish grow and will most certainly end with more deaths.

Yes I admit, you r right
I loved the loach but they are very active and very fast
I don't know even how can take them out as I might damage plants !

 

[Rjaber77]

Am in my way to purchase the test kit
I will buy both the Ammonia kit + the Nitrite kit

 

[molliwopp]

Api fresh water master kit would be a great option.

 

[Rjaber77]

Api fresh water master kit would be a great option.

Brother u pushing me to cry :'(..
We don't have it here in Saudi Arabia
In the whole Riyadh we have few per shops and couldn't find in any if them other than Sera

Anyway,

Ph is 7.2
Kh is 6 d I think
Ch is 16
No2 is 0 zero
No3 is 10

I hope I read them correctly !
I also attached the pics for more clarify

The one discus which I told about it has die just 1 hour back

I hope you also notice that those discus is very small u can call them babies discus

Let me know your opinion !

Note,
My canister is Dophin as per the picture


Thanks
Raed
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[Rjaber77]

One thing if you don't mind
Pls explain to me what these
CH
KH
NO2
NO3
What they cause and what is the best for my tank ?


Thanks a lot .,
Raed
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[molliwopp]

To save me a lengthy post, have a little read of this, http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/gh_kh_ph.php

Dont let it scare you as most people can happily keep healthy fish without knowing all of it precisly.

The test of more importance is the green test youve done. Am i right in thinkng that is an ammonia test? This needs to read 0, if the tank waa cycled it would read 0. You really need to lower this whenever it reads of 0.25 or it will be effecting your fish in a negative way.

After a while this should balance itself out, but you really really do need to remove some of your fish because its going to be producing too much ammonia for your filter to brake down fast enough.

 

[Rjaber77]

Hanks for the link
It is amazing and rich with all needed information

I just finis tank cleaning and water change 50%
PH is okay 7.0
Ammonia is 0.12 even after water change !
So I will do another water change tomorrow I hope this will solve it !

Other parameters like
KH is getting less than yesterday, it is 3 today
Ch is also less than yesterday, it is 10
No2 zero

I am feeding the fish twice a day
Is this right ?
I heard that the discus babies must be feed three times

And I will also sell 60% of my fishes

I attached the tests photos and my tank as of today

I made a huge trimming for my plants

Any advice you may give ?



Thanks
Raed
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[molliwopp]

You dont want it to fall too far as then your ph can swing and dramatic changes can be devistating.


Your ammonia is still alittle high, a green colour can be dangerous to your fish, its not an immediate threat but by tomorrow it will have changed from 0.50 to a darker green 1.00 which is life threatening. Not to mention how terrible the fish will be feeling in water with such a reading. I would do a 50% water change. Have upped how often and your % of water youre changing?

If you can up your water changes.and rehome some of those fish, everyone will be much much happier in your tank, i do like the look of you tank btw and would make a good home for the right fish.