Look like garbage with red slime, and hair algae, not t o mention they never have enough lr. A 50 breeder setup that was done conpletely wrong by some guy was asking 450, and he wouldnt budge, i just listed all my tanks for a cool 1k on kijiji, if i sell them both ill take the moneu and probs leave the hobby, cause even brand neW, 1000 bucks is gonna get me my tank and stand... Thats it