interested in german blue rams.

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What is your experience with these fish?
What size tank do you keep them in and what are their tankmates. What food do you give them?
I hear they are very finicky...what would be their ideal water and tank conditions ?
Any info is appreciated :)
Thanks!
 
Hi! I have 2 ATM but going to get a male. My tank conditions are ph: 7.6 high range pH: 7.4 ammonia:0 nitrite:0 nitrate:0-5. They can be finicky but my experience with them has been great so far. I had a previous pair which spawned. They are great little fish! Mine are in a community setup, but just be careful about keeping them with long finned fish. I wrote a article on spawning them: BREEDING GERMAN BLUE RAMS

German blue rams are suprisingly easy once you have an established pair. GBR grow to about six to seven centimetres. They like to eat bloodworms and flakes, river shrimp and lots more! The cons of these stunning looking fish is that they need pristine water quality. They're colouring is unique with their shimmering blue scales. They can breed as early on as four months but usually from six months +.
SEXING:
The female fish is smaller than the male and have more of a pink underbelly in her ventral region. If you look at the anterior region of the dorsal fin, you can see that her fin rays are less developed. It is also common for females to have a plumper body shape and more rounded edging of the tailfin. The back of the dorsal and anal fins have a more pointy edge in the male ram, and the tail fin is also more sharply edged. The male ram can be recognized on his V-shaped tail fin and the elongated second ray that is present in the dorsal fin.
BREEDING
When its time for breeding, the red patch on the belly of the female will grow bigger and become much brighter than normally. A flat stone will be cleaned or a pit will be dug out by either of the pair. The couple will also start nudging each other and/or twirling, and the male fish can dart away at a high pace or slide against the body of the female fish
During spawning, the female will place small adhesive eggs on the flat stones or in the small pits. The eggs are 0.9-1.5 mm in length (0.035-0.059 inches). A typical batch will consist of 150-300 eggs, but some batches contain no more than 20 eggs while others contain over 500 eggs.

Both the male and the female fish should be allowed to stay with the offspring because this species practise biparental brood care and the parents work together to care for the eggs and guard the territory. A parent will fan fresh water over the eggs to prevent attacks from fungi and bacteria. The parents will also eat unfertile eggs to prevent them from turning into breeding grounds for pathogens.

The eggs will normally hatch within 40 hours if the water is kept in the upper part of the recommended temperature range. It will then take roughly 5 days before the offspring becomes free swimming. The free swimming fry will be kept in a dense school and be cared for by the parents. They will be escorted by their mother or father during foraging.

Don’t lose heart if the first few spawnings are unsuccessful. A lot of things can go wrong and it is common for German blue rams to spawn a few times before they get everything right. They might for instance eat a few batches before they become good parents. Once they have started breeding, you can however expect a new batch once a month or so. Young pairs are known to fight quite a lot and the aquarium must contain plenty of hiding spots to avoid stress and injury.

If your couple continues to eat their offspring even after several spawnings it can be a sight of distress in the aquarium. Try to figure out what stresses your fish and do your best to make the aquarium more relaxing for them.


Need anymore info just pm me.
 
Hi! I have 2 ATM but going to get a male. My tank conditions are ph: 7.6 high range pH: 7.4 ammonia:0 nitrite:0 nitrate:0-5. They can be finicky but my experience with them has been great so far. I had a previous pair which spawned. They are great little fish! Mine are in a community setup, but just be careful about keeping them with long finned fish. I wrote a article on spawning them: BREEDING GERMAN BLUE RAMS

German blue rams are suprisingly easy once you have an established pair. GBR grow to about six to seven centimetres. They like to eat bloodworms and flakes, river shrimp and lots more! The cons of these stunning looking fish is that they need pristine water quality. They're colouring is unique with their shimmering blue scales. They can breed as early on as four months but usually from six months +.
SEXING:
The female fish is smaller than the male and have more of a pink underbelly in her ventral region. If you look at the anterior region of the dorsal fin, you can see that her fin rays are less developed. It is also common for females to have a plumper body shape and more rounded edging of the tailfin. The back of the dorsal and anal fins have a more pointy edge in the male ram, and the tail fin is also more sharply edged. The male ram can be recognized on his V-shaped tail fin and the elongated second ray that is present in the dorsal fin.
BREEDING
When its time for breeding, the red patch on the belly of the female will grow bigger and become much brighter than normally. A flat stone will be cleaned or a pit will be dug out by either of the pair. The couple will also start nudging each other and/or twirling, and the male fish can dart away at a high pace or slide against the body of the female fish
During spawning, the female will place small adhesive eggs on the flat stones or in the small pits. The eggs are 0.9-1.5 mm in length (0.035-0.059 inches). A typical batch will consist of 150-300 eggs, but some batches contain no more than 20 eggs while others contain over 500 eggs.

Both the male and the female fish should be allowed to stay with the offspring because this species practise biparental brood care and the parents work together to care for the eggs and guard the territory. A parent will fan fresh water over the eggs to prevent attacks from fungi and bacteria. The parents will also eat unfertile eggs to prevent them from turning into breeding grounds for pathogens.

The eggs will normally hatch within 40 hours if the water is kept in the upper part of the recommended temperature range. It will then take roughly 5 days before the offspring becomes free swimming. The free swimming fry will be kept in a dense school and be cared for by the parents. They will be escorted by their mother or father during foraging.

Don’t lose heart if the first few spawnings are unsuccessful. A lot of things can go wrong and it is common for German blue rams to spawn a few times before they get everything right. They might for instance eat a few batches before they become good parents. Once they have started breeding, you can however expect a new batch once a month or so. Young pairs are known to fight quite a lot and the aquarium must contain plenty of hiding spots to avoid stress and injury.

If your couple continues to eat their offspring even after several spawnings it can be a sight of distress in the aquarium. Try to figure out what stresses your fish and do your best to make the aquarium more relaxing for them.


Need anymore info just pm me.

Thanks so much for all the info!!
 
I have 10 Rams in my tank, GBR, Gold rams, and Electric blue rams. They do love heavily planted aquariums and I have never had fin nipping problems with them and my Veil Angels (but then I have a big tank). Have to tell you on the food issue, mine absolutely love softened shelled peas lightly smashed. Some will actually grab a smashed pea and swim away with it so no one else can get any of it. Mine act like its fish candy.
 
Samzter said:
Haaa! Anything with GBR written on it and I'm there!

I'm the same exact way haha, here's my experience...

I have 2 ( a pair) in a 30 gal long tank and I love them. Only problem is that they are young and the male chases the female a lot. But that doesn't happen to every pair. The male thinks he kinda owns the tank ( which he doesn't) haha but they are very colorful and almost always out. They are pretty peaceful to my other fish, which are keyholes a dwarf gourami corys shrimp and a Pleco. Except around breeding time they do get pretty aggressive, but it's not to the point where you need to remove them from the tank. Other than that I think they make a great addition to almost any tank :)
 
You really can't go wrong with GBR's. Altogether i have 5 breeding pairs each in planted 20gal longs and 2 29 gal growout tanks w/about 12-15 sm. to juveniles in each one. They're a very rewarding species to breed. The younger the pair are the more problems you'll have with eggs being eaten but don't lose hope on them. Eventually they'll get it right after a few spawns. Overall they're not as hard to keep as many hobbiests think. Just keep your water params stable with low nitrates and you'll do fine.
Wild caughts are a little more touchy as far as ph goes. Goodluck and keep us updated! :)
 
German Blue Ram

here's another good article on rams. i have them and really enjoy them. they have great personalities. you'll love them. just watch your water parameters and frequent water changes will keep them healthy. :)
 
Thanks so much everyone! I really really want some now!
 
Male ram cichlids

I was reading through these posts and decided this would be a good place to ask some questions. I noticed that some of you have kept more than a pair of rams in a 20 gallon long (or something similar). Everything I had read before said that the minimum tank should be 55 gallon for 1 pair. I'd like to have an all male tank (1 german blue, 1 angel veil, 1 balloon and 1 bolivian). I may be creating a disaster so I'm just looking for some advice- have any of you keep those different types in the same tank? Is it okay to have an all male tank and if so, how many of them and what is the minimum tank size? Any help is much appreciated!
 
You really can't go wrong with GBR's. Altogether i have 5 breeding pairs each in planted 20gal longs and 2 29 gal growout tanks w/about 12-15 sm. to juveniles in each one. :)

I think you misunderstood. These are breeding pairs if you read the above quote. No other fish are kept in these tanks. And in the 29g the fish are small juveniles. What size tank are you wanting to put 3 male rams in? You couldn't do that in a 20 gallon if that is what you are asking. I have 11 rams but mind you they are in a 220g heavily planted tank.
 
To answer the rest of your post... I have a 55g and am not sure I would put 4 (sorry I put 3 above) male rams in that size. Even if you heavily planted you would still most likely have squabbles. Of my 11 rams 5 are males and trust me even in a 220g they squabble. Thing is, with so many plants and DW there are plenty of places to retreat to when squabbles occur. I'm really not sure what size tank I'd put 4 males in, maybe someone else will jump in here.
 
In my experience, rams will not do well in a new tank, even if it has just completed the cycling process. Make sure you put them in a tank that has been established for several months. A mature tank with these fish will go a long way!

David
 
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