Accidental fish in cycle. [My journey]

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I'm on Amazon right now. Just finished quite large water changes in both tanks. I'd like to say that I'm giving the tanks a chance to settle before I test again and determine if I need to change more water, but really I'm giving myself time to recover.

CheeseNRice. I'm exhausted.
 
I'm so darned frustrated.
Did between 40 and 50% water changes on both tanks, nitrites are still off the charts!!!

What can I do at this point? I did go ahead and dose with prime, but I'm worried.... advice please? I'll take anything at this point. (And just FYI, ammonia is near to or right at 0. I am not washing or changing any filter media or actually messing deep in the gravel. If there's food or waste I gently go over the surface. I am feeding very lightly.)
 
It's both tanks. Not just one of them. But I'll get a picture once we're up for the day.
 
It's both tanks. Not just one of them. But I'll get a picture once we're up for the day.



Lol. You're cycling adventure is as bad as mine. I just went through one with my new 145 gallon Tanganyikan Cichlid aquarium setup. Although I had read up on it and was prepared what set me back was in the start of week 2 i noticed one of the fish i had bought had a real nasty internal parasite so i had to flush 99% of the water than medicate etc etc was a big mess...

Week 2 continued with a bacterial bloom possibly caused by killing good bacteria by too many water changes followed by a week 3 hell on earth green bog marsh water which was caused by leaving 4 t5 lights open for 12 hours a day...turn off your lights for a few days if you ever get that.

Now in week 6 everything seems normal since week 4...have a slight 0.25-0.35ppm ammonia problem but probably due to a new filter, over cleaning rocks, substrate due to medication process, disposal of a sponge media in canister filter 1, etc. Nitrate is at a steady 20 ppm. By the way, during a cycling period, I don't think you should be vacuuming your substrate like crazy since that's where most of the good bacteria lies...neither be doing huge water changes (try 20% every 4-5 days)...can just add some prime daily as it will make your ammonia and nitrite harmless...until things settle. Check out KG tropicals youtube videos on cycling also.

I never had any nitrite spike for some reason. By the way how many times a day are you feeding your fish and you should give away the snails or place them outside...they tend to reproduce like crazy and can easily die and rot...good luck hang in there you should have seen me in day 22 sitting on my couch watching a green marsh of an aquarium and telling myself I can't quit but if this doesn't go away soon...I may have too lol.
 
To each their own, and everyone is entitled to their opinions and experiences, but I strongly disagree with easywolf.

For one, water changes will have no negative impact on cycling, and are absolutely crucial to maintaining the health of your fish. It can be a struggle, but I personally wouldn't allow ammonia or nitrite to exceed .25-.5(max), even though this can require multiple pwc's per day.

Prime does help in detoxifying ammonia / nitrite, but only to a certain level and for a brief period of time. It can also be used up to 5x normal dose in an emergency situation to help detoxify nitrite.

I would also suggest keeping substrate exquisitely clean. The overwhelming majority of your beneficial bacteria colonizes in your filter media due to the oxygen rich environment. The substrate is one of the most anaerobic areas of your entire aquarium and holds minuscule amounts of BB (though every inch of the tank will have some tiny degree). I would rather aggressively vacuum and ensure there is no food or other detritus contributing to releasing additional toxins.

I have entirely changed out 100% of the substrate in my aquariums many times with zero impact on the biofilter (though always a good idea to monitor if you do so).

Cycling with fish is obviously a long, slow pain in the ***, but the name of the game is keeping the toxin levels as low as possible through water changes until the biofilter establishes which often takes well over a month with a fish-in cycle.
 
Just about to suggest a Python as well. I can do a 50% PWC in my 40, two 10's, and my 29 in under 40 minutes. And no hauling buckets [emoji4]
 
Just about to suggest a Python as well. I can do a 50% PWC in my 40, two 10's, and my 29 in under 40 minutes. And no hauling buckets [emoji4]



Yes you really should get 1, I have an Aqueon water changer with an extended 18" tube, they are so worth it.
 
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The 65g. Lighting just isn't working well. Grrr.


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And the 36g bow front.

No one wants to fast today apparently. Little beggars are swarming the front when I get close enough.

As for feeding no more than one a day, very lightly. But usually every other day.

(Will reply to everyone here shortly! My kids are fighting.....[emoji849])
 
Lol. You're cycling adventure is as bad as mine. I just went through one with my new 145 gallon Tanganyikan Cichlid aquarium setup. Although I had read up on it and was prepared what set me back was in the start of week 2 i noticed one of the fish i had bought had a real nasty internal parasite so i had to flush 99% of the water than medicate etc etc was a big mess...

Week 2 continued with a bacterial bloom possibly caused by killing good bacteria by too many water changes followed by a week 3 hell on earth green bog marsh water which was caused by leaving 4 t5 lights open for 12 hours a day...turn off your lights for a few days if you ever get that.

Now in week 6 everything seems normal since week 4...have a slight 0.25-0.35ppm ammonia problem but probably due to a new filter, over cleaning rocks, substrate due to medication process, disposal of a sponge media in canister filter 1, etc. Nitrate is at a steady 20 ppm. By the way, during a cycling period, I don't think you should be vacuuming your substrate like crazy since that's where most of the good bacteria lies...neither be doing huge water changes (try 20% every 4-5 days)...can just add some prime daily as it will make your ammonia and nitrite harmless...until things settle. Check out KG tropicals youtube videos on cycling also.

I never had any nitrite spike for some reason. By the way how many times a day are you feeding your fish and you should give away the snails or place them outside...they tend to reproduce like crazy and can easily die and rot...good luck hang in there you should have seen me in day 22 sitting on my couch watching a green marsh of an aquarium and telling myself I can't quit but if this doesn't go away soon...I may have too lol.



Oh goodness! You did have a hard go of it!

I had green marsh with the 65g tank, but now that the ammonia is .25 or below, that has faded. Lots of cloudiness in the 65g now.

The 36g is having less throw left with cloud, but otherwise it's having just as much trouble. Grrr.
 
Just tagging along on your journey here, I'm in the midst of cycling 2 tanks both with fish in! It's a long struggle but I know it will be worth it :)
 
Just tagging along on your journey here, I'm in the midst of cycling 2 tanks both with fish in! It's a long struggle but I know it will be worth it :)



Agreed! We shall beat this together! Good luck to you! Where are you at with your levels and such?
 
Just about to suggest a Python as well. I can do a 50% PWC in my 40, two 10's, and my 29 in under 40 minutes. And no hauling buckets [emoji4]



Well I did actually order the python or aqueon, but I did order a drinking hose and waterbed drain and fill.

When draining I'm able to do it out the window so that's never been a problem, it was just the filling. When my husband is here to help it isn't so bad, but he's out of state so all buckets fall in me. Lol.
So basically I ordered the components for a diy water changer.
 
To each their own, and everyone is entitled to their opinions and experiences, but I strongly disagree with easywolf.

For one, water changes will have no negative impact on cycling, and are absolutely crucial to maintaining the health of your fish. It can be a struggle, but I personally wouldn't allow ammonia or nitrite to exceed .25-.5(max), even though this can require multiple pwc's per day.

Prime does help in detoxifying ammonia / nitrite, but only to a certain level and for a brief period of time. It can also be used up to 5x normal dose in an emergency situation to help detoxify nitrite.

I would also suggest keeping substrate exquisitely clean. The overwhelming majority of your beneficial bacteria colonizes in your filter media due to the oxygen rich environment. The substrate is one of the most anaerobic areas of your entire aquarium and holds minuscule amounts of BB (though every inch of the tank will have some tiny degree). I would rather aggressively vacuum and ensure there is no food or other detritus contributing to releasing additional toxins.

I have entirely changed out 100% of the substrate in my aquariums many times with zero impact on the biofilter (though always a good idea to monitor if you do so).

Cycling with fish is obviously a long, slow pain in the ***, but the name of the game is keeping the toxin levels as low as possible through water changes until the biofilter establishes which often takes well over a month with a fish-in cycle.



Ah, we'll let me clarify. I feed sinking foods, and only in one spot in the tank. That spot and slightly on the surrounded gravel always gets vacced fully.

If I do a frozen food, those end up everywhere so much next water change is more thorough on cleaning gravel.

You're right though, even when I have done nearly 100% WC and vacced the gravel thoroughly it hasn't stalled my cycle. That's actually what was the turning point for the high ammonia. After that the ammonia was easier to keep down, and two days later the nitrites appeared on the scene.
 
Haha yes we shall! My tanks are much much smaller than yours, however my 40L has both high ammonia and nitrites, and the second 30L currently has ammonia of .25 nitrite .25 and nitrate 5.00 so I feel like I'm actually getting somewhere with that one! At last!
 
Haha yes we shall! My tanks are much much smaller than yours, however my 40L has both high ammonia and nitrites, and the second 30L currently has ammonia of .25 nitrite .25 and nitrate 5.00 so I feel like I'm actually getting somewhere with that one! At last!



Congrats! I do have a much smaller tank, with just a betta, but it gets a 50% WC every other day. With just him, I'm not trying to cycle, since I've heard that anything below 10g is near impossible to cycle. I'm just meticulous with keeping his water just right.

( His tank -temporarily- is a 2.5 g. He was supposed to have a larger tank, but when I got it, it didn't hold water, so I had to dig out the 2.5g I had from years ago. )
 
On a side note- to anyone who cares to answer!

Would I be good to just go ahead and do 75% water changes today? Everyone did well with the big 50% from last night, but I'd like to try and get those levels down as low as I can.
 
Cool. Just wanted to debunk the myth that nitrifying bacteria establishes in your substrate and shouldn't be cleaned as well as that water changes are detrimental to cycling. If that was a widely held belief, it would lead to a lot more dead fish during cycling.

If you're up for it, 75% pwc sounds good. As long as the water is conditioned, somewhat closely temp matched and pH isn't significantly different than what's in the aquarium.....you can do 10x 90% changes in a row and it's just going to be good for the fish :)

You know what you're doing....I'm just speaking generally.
 
Congrats! I do have a much smaller tank, with just a betta, but it gets a 50% WC every other day. With just him, I'm not trying to cycle, since I've heard that anything below 10g is near impossible to cycle. I'm just meticulous with keeping his water just right.

( His tank -temporarily- is a 2.5 g. He was supposed to have a larger tank, but when I got it, it didn't hold water, so I had to dig out the 2.5g I had from years ago. )



Oh really! I'm not sure what the conversions are from gallons to litres but I'm pretty sure both my tanks would be under 10g? That might be why I've struggled to cycle them!
 
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