Okay, two threads merged and here we are in Breeding! Now for some breeding advice
is that becuse it a first time thing, when do they usually get it right, around the 3rd time around, also how often till they go and try agian?
Sometimes the eggs are eaten as soon as they are laid, sometimes the parents do it and sometimes by tank mates. They will try again--timing depends on them and the environment. Due to the heavy biological strain on the female, increasing the protein in the food is a good idea--i.e. frozen blood worms once a week. Females will wear out faster than males during their mating lives--it's natural, but you can help the female by giving quality food.
the problem is that its in a 35g with many other fish that would love to chomp them down, if they did lay eggs they were eaten, or else they didnt lay, they did all this at night and i went to sleep, in the morning they abandonded the nest
Problem or learning curve depending on how you look at it
Stepping away from the fish for a moment, you need to ask yourself if you are ready to care for the fry, which is a long term commitment of a separate tank and special food (certainly doable!). Since I don't keep fish to breed them right now, I am bias towards nature's way of doing things. My fish do breed, but I do not remove them from the tank. I love watching the fry and when the parents get it right, 1-5 survive and I have new little fish (and sometimes they make it to adulthood)
For my husband and me, fish keeping is a life long experience. One day after my little one is born and possibly after she goes to college, we will have a dedicated fish room and the time to set up individual breeding tanks. In the meantime, I notice where the fry show up, which substrate is preferred, etc.
sticking with eachother all the time, but no more "bredding behavour", i look forward to them trying agian
That is great behavior which will be repeated--just a surprise as to when.