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Bichirs are too big. I started looking at loaches and they had the same look and were way smaller, pretty hardy and bottom feeders to help keep the tank clean. I saw that I would need a better filter with this species because they burrow and mix the substrate around. So I like the Kuhli loach and the red tailed shark. What do you think? What other fish can be used if the tank was 40 to 50 g?


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Okay good to rule that out. Loaches are a really good choice and kuhlis are super easy to keep. You don't need a softer substrate if you provide a lot of hiding places. And kuhlis do best in groups of 5 or more. As for the red tail they are a litter more agressive than rainbow sharks which have the same look so I'd go for the rainbow.

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Do you know what kind of filter you are going to get or have?

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Do you know what kind of filter you are going to get or have?

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No idea. I don't have a single piece of equipment for this whole thing. I start d with tank research and what size to get and then substrates and plants and the cycle then jumped to aquascaping and recently into the fish and lighting. So what I was thinking was sorta kinda get a descent grasp on everything before buying anything. Filters were not something I have looked into really at all yet. With what I read about loaches I will probably be buying a higher end filter. But once again idk anything about them.


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Kuhlis are fine with most filters as long as they actually filter and provide oxygen. Aqueon or Marineland would work

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Kuhlis are fine with most filters as long as they actually filter and provide oxygen. Aqueon or Marineland would work

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A filter should process your water about 3 times an hour right? One other question too; are LED lights worth the price. www.fishbeginner.info had an article saying they're a waste and that you can just purchase T2 T5 or T12s for way less money.


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I would go with between 5x (as a minimum) and 10x. I personally have about 7.5x flow on my 40 gal, which is 300 gph.


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A filter should process your water about 3 times an hour right? One other question too; are LED lights worth the price. www.fishbeginner.info had an article saying they're a waste and that you can just purchase T2 T5 or T12s for way less money.


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I agree with jfran and LED'S are worth it, the newer models are really really good for planted tanks. Finnex makes really great lights for planted tanks

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What do you think about LED compared to T5, T2 or T12 lighting? There can be huge price differences with LED. If I want medium lighting in a 40 -50 g tank what would you use?


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Hands down, I think LED is the better value. Over the past couple years they have become more reliable, more efficient, and more advanced. Yes, LED has a higher up front cost but when you compare the lifespan of the bulbs is where it makes a huge difference.

Commonly LED bulbs are marketed to last 50,000 hours. If you take half of that as a more realistic value running the lights at 8ish hours a day that's 6 years of functionality out of a single light fixture. If you buy a Finnex 24/7 at $150 that's $25 a year for the fixture not counting electricity

A comparably powered dual t5ho fixture will cost $100 on the low end. However, the bulbs have to be replaced yearly. At $10 a bulb not counting shipping over a 6 year period it's gonna run you $40 a year not counting the electricity which is significantly higher than LEDs.

If I were you, I would get a finnex 24/7 instead of messing around with flourescent lights. It's dimmable so you can get whatever light level you want.
 
I would go with between 5x (as a minimum) and 10x. I personally have about 7.5x flow on my 40 gal, which is 300 gph.


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Canister or power filter for a 40 to 50g


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Kuhlis are fine with most filters as long as they actually filter and provide oxygen. Aqueon or Marineland would work

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Canister or power filter?


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For a 40 or 50 or similar sized tank a canister is certainly not necessary. There are plenty of hang on back (hob) power filters which would do the job perfectly. On my 40 I have the Aqueon 30 and the Aqueon 10 for a combined 300 gph.

I have no experience with using canisters but I do know that one isn't required for this size tank. A good power filter is also much less expensive than a good canister.


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Canister or power filter?


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Ive never used a canister filter and they cost more so I'd say go with power. Don't rely on me for this one since I honestly don't know as much about filters as other people do. Jfran looks like a good person to rely on as of now when deciding filters

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Canisters really aren't necessary for any tank tbh. If you like canisters and have a few extra $$ then by all means get a canister... But a good HOB will also do a great job filtering your water.
 
For a 40 or 50 or similar sized tank a canister is certainly not necessary. There are plenty of hang on back (hob) power filters which would do the job perfectly. On my 40 I have the Aqueon 30 and the Aqueon 10 for a combined 300 gph.

I have no experience with using canisters but I do know that one isn't required for this size tank. A good power filter is also much less expensive than a good canister.


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What's the point of having your 10 and 30 aqueons instead of 1 filter?


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What's the point of having your 10 and 30 aqueons instead of 1 filter?


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Distribution of water flow and redundancy I suppose. Current is spread out instead of a single source.
In case one filter goes belly up, there is a second one to keep things moving. It also makes it easier in case you are running something different in the second filter such as floss only or a specialized media such as Purigen.


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What's the point of having your 10 and 30 aqueons instead of 1 filter?


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I use two because to be honest that's just how it turned out. I got an Aqueon 10 a long time ago with my first tank (10 gal) and over the years upgraded my tank size using various filters (ie Marineland Eclipse but with which I could not use two filters just because of how it was set up) until I finally got a 40 gal on which I could use the Aqueon 10 again. I needed a lot more filtration than just that for a 40 (obviously) so I got an Aqueon 30 too.

Benefits of two filters were already mentioned. The Aqueon 30 alone is the bare minimum (5x flow) for a 40 and then the added auxiliary filter gives more gph and serves as back up.

The real answer is that it's up to you. If you just want one more powerful filter than you can do that but having two also has its benefits. Just remember you can never have too much filtration (unless you really overkill like an Aqueon 75 on a 10 gal :) ) and you want to shoot for more than 5x flow.

Hope this helps!


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I've done hob filters and currently have a canister. A lot of it is preference. With my current tank I just didn't want an hob filter. I wanted the filter tucked away out of sight. Its really about just making sure you have the right amount of filtration.

I would say to take into consideration what type of flow the fish you choose would like. Some fish do better with higher flow and others do better with lower flow. Two filters helps break up the flow- where as one filter can create a strong flow at the outlet. Also while the basic idea of maintenance is the same, its a little different process for each one. That may not matter to you, but something to think about.

Regarding plants...just keep in mind that just like fish, everyone has a slightly different experience. My tank has dirt under the gravel and I'm using the finnex planted plus 24/7, with no co2. I dont currently dose ferts. Some of my plants are doing great, and others that I thought would do better are struggling. I could increase to a higher tech setup (co2, ferts, etc) but I am more likely to remove the plants that don't work well in my set up, add more of the ones that do well, and try a couple new plants.

This can be as complicated or (relatively) simple as you want.

Btw I think its awesome you are doing all this planning. I'm way more impulsive.

A good way to figure out what you might want is to read through tank logs/journals. My current tank is based of another hobbyists tank that I really liked. I'm not trying to copy it, but it gave me a really good perspective of what it would take to have a tank like his.

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I've done hob filters and currently have a canister. A lot of it is preference. With my current tank I just didn't want an hob filter. I wanted the filter tucked away out of sight. Its really about just making sure you have the right amount of filtration.

I would say to take into consideration what type of flow the fish you choose would like. Some fish do better with higher flow and others do better with lower flow. Two filters helps break up the flow- where as one filter can create a strong flow at the outlet. Also while the basic idea of maintenance is the same, its a little different process for each one. That may not matter to you, but something to think about.

Regarding plants...just keep in mind that just like fish, everyone has a slightly different experience. My tank has dirt under the gravel and I'm using the finnex planted plus 24/7, with no co2. I dont currently dose ferts. Some of my plants are doing great, and others that I thought would do better are struggling. I could increase to a higher tech setup (co2, ferts, etc) but I am more likely to remove the plants that don't work well in my set up, add more of the ones that do well, and try a couple new plants.

This can be as complicated or (relatively) simple as you want.

Btw I think its awesome you are doing all this planning. I'm way more impulsive.

A good way to figure out what you might want is to read through tank logs/journals. My current tank is based of another hobbyists tank that I really liked. I'm not trying to copy it, but it gave me a really good perspective of what it would take to have a tank like his.

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What's do you like more. The canister or hob? What's easier to use and or maintain?


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Hard question to answer. Its been 4-5 years since we last had a tank. That was when we used the hob. I remember thinking it was simple to understand how it worked. I felt like we did a lot of maintenance, but we made a lot of rookie mistakes like over stocking and over feeding.

I like having a canister. It took a little bit more to understand it, but its really pretty simple.

Hob is usually cheaper and its easily accessible.

Canister is out of sight and very customizable.

I really did pick a canister this time based on esthetic. I didn't want to see the filter.

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